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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Don't forget to check your crystals
 
 
HeliKalle
Senior Heliman
Location: Malmö, Sweden

Had a little accident the other day. I was in a hover just 30 feet up and in front off me trying out my recently installed governor. I also use a co-pilot and a PCM rx.

Suddenly the rx crystal (this I found out later) broke and the helicopter went off with the wind. The PCM F/S settings were left untouched since I installed the rx and that was my biggest mistake ever.

Well, no one was hurt and I got the heli back when it landed 5 km away from me. The crash damages were minimal considering what happened - about $250.

So, what do I learn from this. Change your crystals regularly and always program the throttle failsafe to go down to idle.

/Christian
04-07-2004 Over year old.
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mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

i believe, that when the crystal fails(or falls out), the rx powers down, so the fs settings are immaterial in that case. however do not let that keep ya from setting em up in the future, as other problems sometimes can and do occur.
04-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
spincycl
Veteran
Location: Marietta, GA

I have a Futaba 149DP.

It's default FS settings are for all channels to stay at their last position, which is good for helis (maybe bad for planes). For throttle, it goes to idle. It also goes to idle in low battery conditions. This is the factory config, so why do so many people warn that you have to set FS?

Do other PCM rx's NOT have a default idle setting for throttle?
04-07-2004 Over year old.
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mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

the rx has no built in default settings, they are set in the tx. futaba sends an update of fs settings to the rx every minute.

open a new model, or do a complete reset of an existing model. look at the fs screen to see what the defaults actually are for your tx.
04-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
HeliKalle
Senior Heliman
Location: Malmö, Sweden

Thanks guys,

I do know that the failsafe is programmed in the Tx (I've got a 9Z WCII and used a R149DP in the Futura SE) but still - don't forget to check your settings! Thats my point.

The heli were found at a parkinglot in a nearby town and I was very luckey that it didn't hit or hurt anything. I have considered not to fly again ´because of this. I't scarred the s**t out of me but with some days distance to it all I knew what I did wrong and won't do it again.

/Christian
04-08-2004 Over year old.
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spincycl
Veteran
Location: Marietta, GA

Thanks for "reminding" me about the Futaba FS system... I totally forgot how that worked. So, that means that for my 9CHP TX the default FS settings for a heli model is: All channels = last pos, except 3 which is to idle.
04-08-2004 Over year old.
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Raptor Rulezzz
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Location: Rockanje, Zuid-Holland - The Netherlands

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So, that means that for my 9CHP TX the default FS settings for a heli model is: All channels = last pos, except 3 which is to idle.


In some cases it should be:

Gov Off, throttle Idle and the rest.... last position.

Cheers,

Rich


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04-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
devildog_0431
Heliman
Location: Camp Lejune (Jacksonville) ,NC

its alwayz good to put some clear tape over your crystals so they dont fall out, my friends lost his fury extreme when he was inverted over some trees becuz his battery pack came disconnected w/ his reciever, its alwayz good to secure all connections, vibration is a bich to these....happy flyin
04-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ImRich
Veteran
Location: Derry, NH USA

Fail Safe settings

I want to point out that there are no default Fail Safe settings that you can or should rely on!

Even if the default factory FS (Fail Safe) setting for throttle was 'low' that may translate to full throttle on your particular heli. The setting and direction may be different depending on linkages, etc.

This is why we have programmable servo reversing, ATVs, etc.

Always be sure to program your Fail Safe settings. Remember, nothing will save your heli from damage if you lose control of it.

I believe that the best way is to set the controls to center the cyclic and tail rotor, set the collective to just below hover pitch (or zero if you like) and then set the engine to idle speed (I believe that the engine is the most important settings). If you prefer the other controls to hold, that's fine, but just remember to set the throttle to idle.

Always test the fail safe setting (with the engine off the first time) by moving your throttle stick to full (full collective), have your receiver on, turn off your transmitter and watch your servos. The important thing to watch is that the throttle arm on your engine goes to the idle position.

It's dangerous to test the FS with the engine running, so if you want to do this, be sure that no one else is around and nothing is near the heli that could be damaged. Do this only after doing an engine off test first. Get the engine spooled up on the ground with collective just below where the heli is starting to get light on its skids and turn off your transmitter. If programmed correctly your engine should go to idle. I don't recommend engine on fail safe tests unless you are very aware of all your settings and know what you are doing.

The idea behind Fail Safe is to make minimal damage to other peoples property or personal injury, not to save your aircraft! Minimizing damage to your aircraft is secondary to damage to others.

I always laugh when someone says they want to program their Fail Safe to minimize damage to their expensive helicopter. Just feel lucky if your expensive heli goes down and only damages itself. If it damages someone elses property (car, home, etc), or causes personal injury, you'll be in much worse shape.

This is the same reason why in the USA we have separate frequencies for aircraft which is separate from land based devices. It's not to keep a ground based device from causing an aircraft owner from having to spend money on repairs, it's to help keep a ground based device from causing an aircraft to go out of control and causing damage or injury to an unexpecting third party. The damage to a flying aircraft is secondary to the protection of life or property of others.

So please remember to think about others safety when particpating in this flying activity.

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Rich
04-16-2004 Over year old.
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mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

"The idea behind Fail Safe is to make minimal damage to other peoples property or personal injury, not to save your aircraft! Minimizing damage to your aircraft is secondary to damage to others."

this is why i like full collective for failsafe setting.
along with throtle to idle, or kill, it bleeds the energy outa the rotorhead real quick.
less energy = less damage
04-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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