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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > Century Raven 30 piro rate question
 
 
rcpylon
Senior Heliman
Location: Saltillo, MS

I am trying out a 460T gyro on a Century Raven. I am also using an 8103 radio. So far all I can get is a 360 deg piro rate in about 2 sec. I am looking for closer to a 1 sec time. Any help would be appreciated. Here are some specific questions.

Any body got experiece with the 30 size Centurys?

Is this a comparable piro rate or can I hope for more?

Thanks for any help,

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Alan Warfield
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04-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
toyman241
Senior Heliman
Location: Valparaiso , IN

rcpylon

I just came in from burnin a few tanks in the old Hawk SE.The birds are home safe and in 1 piece.Another good day.....

That 2 seconds sounds kinda slow.I would suggest you make sure the tail servo is throwing the tail slider to the MAX.Even if it binds on the ends a little that is OK the gyro will not let that happen in flight.Also maybe move the ball on the servo arm out a hole or 2 to speed things up might help.Just a few quick ideas.........

Joe...toyman241

www.toyman241.rcplanet.com
04-29-2002 Over year old.
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oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Piro rate

The piro rate will always be the function of the gyro/tail rotor set up. Believe me, when the mechanical set up is properly done, if you removed the gyro from the equation, you would find the Raven (and any other modern heli for that matter) would have a lightening fast piro rate. By inserting a gyro into the circuit, this now becomes a function of the set-up/adjustments of the gyro.

I am not that familiar with the JR460T gyro. Is it a HH/rate unit or only a rate unit?

In the rate mode piro rate can be adjusted to be faster by:
a) going to a higher RUDDER ATV (allows more throw to the servo so the gyro gain has less effect). If there is binding at the end points on the bench there will not be in the air. Once airborn the gyro starts doing its work and it takes away a lot of servo response so it will not do bind upstairs.
b) if you still want faster piros, then go to a longer servo arm (again, a mechanical adjustment of A)
c) finally you can decrease the gain (which I doubt you will have to do).

In HH mode
a) be sure to use a servo arm that does not bind at each end of travel or adjust (available on many HH gyros) the rudder throw as per the gyro instructions so that they do not overthrow into binding.
b) increase the RUDDER ATV's for the piro rate you desire.

With a HH gyro the these ATV settings will not increase the throw of the rudder servo but will tell the internal computer to allow a higher piro rate.

Phil
04-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rcpylon
Senior Heliman
Location: Saltillo, MS

thanks to all

I want to thank all that responded. I got ahold of JR on the phone and ruffed up one of their techs...just kidding. I did ask him some questons he had to do a little thinking on though. I wanted to fly the possible soulution before I put it out. Here's the jist of what I found out.

Set up the tail for no binding in Rate mode mechanically. i.e. adjust the servo arm length as required, leaving rudder travel adjusts alone.

Fly and trim it in Rate mode mechanically.

After this has all been done, switch into HH and adjust the rudder travel limits to your liking to set the piro rate. The travel adjust doesn't seem to carry thru to HH, at least above 100%.

Here is what I ended up with:

rudder servo arm ball location...10-12 mm out
rudder trav adj...150% both ways

The combo above gave me a piro rate of a little over 360 deg per sec.

If anybody else needs some additional info, please feel free to contact me.

Thanks,

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Alan Warfield
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05-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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