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Oldmodeler
Heliman
Location: LA County

Anybody familiar with Remote -I out of Santa Barbara, CA? Their website http://www.remotei.com/index.html appears impressive. They are utilizing a Maxi-Joker for their E-Camcopter with their ri-200 series mount and the latest 26cc Vario Gas (CCPM) for their G-Camcopter with ri-200 series mount. The cammounts begin at approx $1200. About $1400 to add to M-J., as seen on Joker USA's website. I would appreciate all positive and negative comments. Thank you all for your input.
03-20-2004 Over year old.
 
 
electro212
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Location: Lancaster Pa

not a bad idea
03-21-2004 Over year old.
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MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

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The pros are good for the public forum and the cons are best explained in a private message.


No idea what caused yo to say that mike but this is a forum.
If anyone has any claims it's best they make it out in the open in front of everyone else.
03-21-2004 Over year old.
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MPA
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Location: Australia

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Remember all of the bashing and trashing that used to go on in this forum a few months back


Yes but that doesnt have much to do with RR and as we have seen since then it is clear that all of that was simply a few old enemies with old axes to grind, take the rest away and as you can see at Rotory you have the remainder hard at it.

This forum shouldnt have to change to accomodate a minority flaming each other for reasons most of us have no knowledge of.
If the same occured here as did in the past it will be a lot clearer to everyone else that it has little to do with RR and the majority here and is limited to a few, and now we all know who they are by a visit to Rotory and one good look at who is hard at it.....ever since it left here.
It wont be dragged back into here so easily.

And on that note, this thread has gotten off topic already over the issue so lets not give it any more weight and best drop it and get on with the topic, and doing what people do in any other forum.

Rgds
03-21-2004 Over year old.
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daggit
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Location: Waseca MN

NOT BASHING!

I'm not bashing here, but I just haven't seen any examples of Remote-i's work.

YES, thier website is very nicely done. They make a great first impression. I would advise you to dig deeper and find some actual customers and talk to them before you buy from there. Maybe Remote-i just avoids public forums (sometimes not a bad idea). I just don't see anybody using thier stuff. I check this forum daily and I haven't seen any pics of anyone using one.

Like your momma said... you better shop around
03-21-2004 Over year old.
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MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

Ill 2nd that.
Shop around and talk to real customers is always good advice for any capital investment like this.

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03-21-2004 Over year old.
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Oldmodeler
Heliman
Location: LA County

Remote I

Thank you all for your valuable input. I will heed all your advise. Yes, they show great products on their website, but who, aside from Joseph Joebstl of Vario fame, is actually utilizing their products??? LOL
03-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
airshares
Senior Heliman
Location: Camarillo, CA

Remote I

I purchased their mount. Email me or PM me for opinion and or comments.
03-22-2004 Over year old.
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TopView
Senior Heliman
Location: The Netherlands

Remote-i message removed

I removed my last message about Remote-i.

Rene
03-23-2004 Over year old.
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franb
Heliman
Location: Barcelona

remotei

Hi

I have a ri-200. If You want I answer your question in a private message
03-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
GauchoVolador
Senior Heliman
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Id REALLY like to see some remote-i videos, never found them...
Do anyone of you know where they are?

Im wondering how this setup perfoms..
Been folowing their website for a long time seems they have improved the system a lot........but user information is MISSING!!
Never found NOTHING!
Is there any secret about remote-i systems that must be kept that way???
03-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Oldmodeler
Heliman
Location: LA County

Remote I

I hate to sound negative, but when I talked to the gentleman on the phone there last week, he stated that they shipped out their last E-Camcopter (A Maxi-Joker w/ ri-200 mount) to a customer in So. Cal and that he would email me the customer's info that day, so as to be able to get in touch with him, in regards to the model's use as an aerial platform. Since that phone conversation, I haven't received a courtesy call or email from them. I'm sure they are "trying" to be a legitimate business. I give them the benefit of the doubt. However, the name of the game is customer service and support and following through. Maybe they have bitten off more than they can chew. Who really knows? POINT - Unfortunately, the fact is, in the perception of the professional aerial community, they are portraying their organization as a scam. Customers have a VIABLE and JUSTIFIABLE gripe. But then, what ever happened to the cliche, BUYER BEWARE????! LOL
03-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ELOSSAM
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Location: Es

I saw one of this mounts recently and has an impresive look. difficult to make it better (when talking about appearance) The concept are right too but have some basic problems coming from the kind of dampers it use (too stiff to avoid swing motion but then they cant block low freq. vibrations properly). The new design whith the added dampers to allow a pendulum action sure will help reducing vibrations that comes from tail and cyclic shakes but these dampers are not regulable ones and will work only at a precise camera weigh that should be around 700-900 gr. Below that weigh they are to stiff and will shake the camera too; Above this weigh the camera will swing and the dampers will have nothing to do there.
Have not saw it in action but I´m sure to be right in what I exposed here, this way my final opinion is it was designed close to the right way but still needs lot of work over it. Rhandal has started selling it before having it working at 100%. May be he would to upgrade at no cost all the selling units as soon as each improvement comes in and that will be a nice idea. I never thought it was a scam (may be because it was not my money) but a brilliant idea without the required time over it. Once he can solve this litle questions I bet for it as one of the best choices for comercial front mounts. Of course thats only a personal opinion but I dont think PMs are the best idea to discuss about the cons of a system. We write here not only to show how nice pics we can take but to find solutions to the problems we have with our systems.
If You, Remote-i sytem owners dont write about the problems you have with it we will never know about them to look for a solution. I stated recently all systems are suitable for new improvements and will remark it now. Have at home an Airfoil M1Carbon unit and works like it was told me it could, but have plans to start changing things on it to make it work like I need/want. That means I brought this unit not to be used as a definitive mount but as a starting point where I can apply my ideas without loosing time building it from cero. New Remote-i customers should think about it in a similar way and Rhandal must start thinking to lower its prices till the units are 100% functional, but again, thats only a personal opinion.
Elossam
03-24-2004 Over year old.
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franb
Heliman
Location: Barcelona

Hi Elossam.

Your opinion is very good I think the same too.


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03-25-2004 Over year old.
 
 
flyboy
Elite Veteran
Location: California

I will second that.

Nicely stated. Keep it constructive, but it is nice to know the pros and cons of the various systems on the market.
03-25-2004 Over year old.
 
 
airshares
Senior Heliman
Location: Camarillo, CA

I agree

As an RI-200 owner I agree. Rhandal should start lowering prices or give partial refunds until the mount is a true "turn-key" mount as i was told when i bought it. I have also asked Rhandal for a partial refund he has offered instead to help update my mount to the latest improvements.
In the meantime here is my list of complaints on the current system.
1) the pan and tilt pulley system is weak, Should be geared.
2) servos should be high torque and very good. The ones included are cheap.
3) The landing gear legs need to be completely redesigned simpler. Such as a composite bow landing gear or something. there are way to many allen screws, collars and legs in the current one.
4) Pendulum system needs to be redesigned............Which i guess he did based on the new website photos.
5) main shaft that the head unit mounts on need to be drilled through so your camera cant fall off in flight.
6) lower the price. $1500 is too much for what you get. The airfoil mount is about the same materials and half the price.
03-25-2004 Over year old.
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ELOSSAM
Veteran
Location: Es

On the pan it should be a very bad servo if it cant run the pulley. I use simple futaba 3001 and have no problem as this axis needs low power to turn the camera. The tilt one if its well balanced (and the RI systems provide lot of adjusts) works as well but needs to be perfectly balanced on the camera CG. The unit I saw has also a roll axis wil a very little damper that cant stop anything different as as keyholder camera. I would subsitute it by a regulable car damper.
The landing gear legs has no solution IMO. Use extended landing gears to increase free space and live with less viewing angle.
The kenyon gyro fitted on this roll axis will add lot of weigh and your heli will need lot of weigh on its tail to compensate. May be better place all the system down the heli.
Main shaft drilled, good idea.
Lower the price, I´m agree;
"..Airfoil about the same materials and half the price..." right about the price difference but not about the materials similitude.We are not comparing apples to apples. RI units at airfoils price should be a nice option and then the Airfoil down its current price would put things on its right side. i.e. at rotorkraft prices.
Dont know about the servo manufacturer of the RI but any one who expects to sell their mounts outside the States must consideer to use std servos available all around the world like futaba/hitec..and not specific servos with no support outside the states and with few replacement stock. That must be noted by all camera mount providers.
03-26-2004 Over year old.
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franb
Heliman
Location: Barcelona

remotei

Rhandal saw to me in a last mail that He send me new extending landing gear if I send to He my ri-200 landing gear. He will send me a new dampers too, free for me. The tilt servo too. I think is very right.



The rest of upgrades for mi ri-200 He send me low cost. I don`t know the cost. I think that all upgrades for my good work of my ri-200 must be free for me.

The materials are a lot of better that Airfoil mount. I have an Airfoil mount too.
My servos of my Airfoil mount don`t work right don`t give 360 degrees. I changed for a futaba 3001 and work better that airfoil servos.

The remotei tilt servo don`t work well, need more torque for a heavy cameras but give 360º.

The Airfoil mount give to me a very good results in insolation vibrations, and is very light. But I don`t like carry a weithg hanging of my heli. Airfoil don`t change to me bad servos. Remote-i yes.


I think : when ri-200 are finish will be a very good mount.
03-26-2004 Over year old.
 
 
JohnC
Veteran
Location: East Yorkshire, England

Gyro/Flight performance.

As far as I'm aware, these mechanical gyros physically resist movement of the mount they are bolted to.

At least on the Airfoil mount, it is hanging off rubber bungee cords - so it may allow some freedom of the heli above - but the RI mount is more rigidly attached.

Can anyone comment on how these gyros affect the flight of the heli?.
03-26-2004 Over year old.
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Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

another comment

Just from the photos it looks like a good system. You can see quality in the system, but as stated above I agree with some of the things mentioned. We where going to go with RI, but went with a g-7 and made our own front mount with a machinist friend (everyone needs one of these guys)...
03-26-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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