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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > eCCPM setup questions
 
 
pylon racer
Heliman
Location: Morgantown, WV

I just installed the eccpm upgrade on my hawk and have a couple of questions. The swash is round and in any picture of the raven it's sort of triangular. Is the round design new? I am using JR 8231 servos with aluminum servo arms, how still (flat) should the swash be when you raise and lower the collective? It tips a little when moving up or down from mid stick but the low, mid, and high positions of the swash are perfectly flat. How practical is it to achieve a perfectly flat swash through any collective position? I am using a futaba 8U radio.

I haven't had chance to fly it yet due to weather but I can't wait to feel the difference the eCCPM and digital servos will make. I have also installed a MP2 and carbon blades. Hopefully it will fly great.

Thanks,
Pete
03-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Wisdom-Seeker
Veteran
Location: Danville, CA

Your swash should be flat throughout the collective range. If not, one of the things that must be true is that you must have identical servos for all three of the swash servos. You must have identical servo arms, and you must have the capability of leveling all of the servo arms at the same time using just the collective. Your transmitter must be set for 120 degree eCCPM. Your servo should be set up such that the no-trim center position is where the servo arms are level.

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03-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
choppengruven
Key Veteran
Location: Flagler County, FL USA

I have a Raven and it has a circular swash, so there's nothing new that I know of.

Sounds like you may have a servo speed issue somewhere. I am not that familiar with the JR stuff, so I can't speak for your servos. If you are EXACTLY the same at full up, center and full down (the MA swash level is a good gauge for this) then there must be something else up. Also, it is absolutely imperative that you have no (or all equal) subtrims, or else you will get interaction.

Some good eCCPM rules to go by:

NEVER touch your endpoints (ATVs). AIL, ELE and PIT should be controlled by your SWASH 3 menu. All endpoints should be at 100.

NEVER use subtrim (or very, very, VERY little) or else you will get interaction.
03-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pylon racer
Heliman
Location: Morgantown, WV

As far as subtrim goes, how do you not use any or very little? The only way I can get the servo arms horizontal is to use subtrim due the the location of the splines on the servo output.

Thanks for your responses.
Pete
03-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
sreuss
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Hi Pete,

After flying my first eCCPM heli about 5 years ago, and finding that after a crash I didn't have a recipe to recover the interaction free controls that I'd had before the crash, I spent some time thinking about eCCPM setup.

My conclusions regarding radio setup were as follows:
* start with subtrims and ATVs on CCPM channels at 0 and 100%, respectively
* aim to have your zero pitch(both cyclic AND collective) point to be at 50% output from the transmitter channel
* use the least amount of subtrim necassary to have your servo arms perpendicular to the linkages going to the swashplate (I know that others say not to use subtrim)
* move the collective to full pitch and observe what collective pitch you get AND how level the swashplate is (I'll assume here that you don't have any binding at the travel endpoint, because this will throw off the rest of what I propose)
* use the ATVs (I know that others say not to use ATVs) to level the swash at this max travel position. Note that changing the roll channel ATVs will also affect the for/aft level of the swashplate... Use this to your advantage; set the roll ATVs *first* and then use the elevator ATV to level the swash in the for/aft direction.
* go back to the zero pitch point
* now we're going to use *roll stick inputs* to set the negative pitch swash level. This is required; If you setup the negative pitch as you did the positive pitch, then you will likely end up with different travels on up and down servo directions. This will produce collective changes when roll inputs are given
* at zero collective pitch point, go to full right aileron and see if the SP goes up or down on the main shaft (i.e. the collective ineraction mentioned above).
* now adjust the ATV for the downward travelling servo until the right aileron inputs create no collective changes. You must modify only the downward travelling servo ATV since you've already set all up-travel ATVs.
* do the same for the left roll command
* now go to full negative collective and and modify the down-travel for/aft servo ATV to make the swash level in the for/aft direction.

At this point, you should have a SP that stays level through the entire pitch range and symmetrical output of the collective pitch (i.e. +/- same degrees). Note that the ability to realize this goal really depends on getting your linkage geometry as close to perfect for the zero pitch position.

Also, this setup will allow those who can't fly inverted to get a nearly perfect setup for inverted flying.

Now go and use the swash/ccpm travel settings to get your desired roll, elevator and collective pitch ranges.

Good luck,
03-12-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Pete,
Due to the servo placement on the Raven you have to use a standard style "arm" on the elevator. And, as we know a arm only gives you two placement options. So, subtrim is inevitable and it's ok on CCPM when you have no other choice.

On the Raven just be sure to use some heavy duty arms(Century sells the CNC metal arms) that allow you to place the ball 25-26mm out on the arm.

Here is what I have been doing on the Raven for awhile now:
1) Collective stick at mid stick.
2) Straight line on your pitch curve.
3) Use MA part # 0513 "Swashplate Leveling Tool" to verify a level swashplate at midstick.
4) Verify at this position that your anti-rotation pin is CENTERED in the anti-rotation guide channel. If you don't do this then you will have binding problems with extreme collective and elevator inputs(both +/-).
5) Now, check your total collective throw by measuring positive & negative. Try to set it with +/-11 degrees via the swashplate mixing menu on the "Pitch" channel. Remember, ATVs only affect the throw of a single channel on a eCCPM machine. You only want to change those if your find one servo not going up/down far enough at the extreme collective postions.

For 3D I have my Raven 50 running +/- 11 on collective and 7 degrees on cyclics. I run the Predator black paddles and the head is set at 1750 and 1950.

For normal mode go with 1600.
03-12-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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