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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > I just bought a century Falcon .46 used....
 
 
helicopter34
Veteran
Location: New Jersey, exit 82

Is there anything in particular I should know about it. Also I have a few questions. What is the difference bewteen it and the hawk. Is it pretty much the same helicopter with a longer boom. There don't seem to be many different canopies I can buy for it.
11-16-2001 Over year old.
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vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

Hi, I have a Falcon 46 SE that I bought used as a package deal and it does a pretty nice job for me. I'm just getting my flying leggs back after a 20 year layoff. Local pro flyer 3d's this heli fine. I'm not even close to that yet.
I have the Thunder Tiger 46 Pro engine in mine and it gives me fits during hover but seems to run a little more stable in flight. I feel like an OS 46 is in this heli's future. Mine came with a fiberglass canopy that looks somewhat like a freya's. Sorry no id on it. Everything else seems to hold up well.

Magnum Fuel
11-18-2001 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Falcon 46

Hi Heli34
To answer your question with absolute precision re: the differences between the HAWK and the Falcon, it will depend on what versions of each you are refering to. Because of Century's great policy of continually bringing their models up to the latest standards (e.g. the 2001 Chrysler Viper will be a Viper but will be a more modern version of the 1999 or even 2000 model) they have given them numbers...Hawk, Hawk II, Hawk III and the latest Hawk IV and the SE/I and the new SE/II. Ditto for the Falcon (Falcon, Falcon II, Falcon III and SE/I and SE/II

They did it right initially by launching one in the Hawk as the 32 configured unit to optimize performance with a 32 engine - 550mm blades, higher gear ratio etc.- and the Falcon as 46 heli, configured to get the best out of that size engine - 600mm blades, longer boom and boom support strut, heavier duty feathering spindle (6mm instead of 5mm), lower gear ratio, aluminim lower sideframes (stiffer and with a larger fuel tank right under the mainshaft resulting in a negligable cg change as the larger amount of fuel is burned), a 46/50 engine mount, larger cooling shroud and maybe a few other differences that slip my mind at the moment. This made it a true 46/50 machine rather then just a 30 with a different engine mount as did/do a few other manufacturers.

In order to compare the Falcon you got in more detail with the newly released Hawk IV, I would have to know what Falcon version you have. The original had a shorter 8mm mainshaft and the II and III had the longer 10mm unit that would allow a much larger pitch range. They all had a great tube supported tail rotor wire drive system except the new SE has the c/f torque tube drive system. The originals had an all plastic swashplate, with the III having a metal composite unit with steal ball joints all around and the new SE/II having an all metal unit.

What was/is really nice is through all of these improvements, they kept the pricing the same up until the intro of the latest units. And even then the price increase was marginal.

IMHO, these latest versions of the Century helis represent the best buys in all price classes they find themselves in. And the latest Falcon SE/II is the absolute best buy out there. I have burned over 35 gallons of fuel on the previous version and it is still going strong and has remained relatively slop free throughout.

Too bad for Century, maybe if my old one was showing as many signs of wear as my Raptor and GPH (both with less then 1/3 the time on them), I would have more incentive to go out and buy the latest version of their Falcon SE Even so, it is still tempting :-))
12-03-2001 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

Great Info Mr oldfart. ( I like that handle )
I'm pretty sure I have the 46SEI version and I love the heli. I had a tip over while practicing hovering autos yesterday, (I'm not doing circuits yet) and scraped about a 1/16th off the bottom tip edges of the 600mm wood blades. I finished that tank of fuel with just a little noticable vibe increase. On the 2nd and 3rd (hovering) flights I put on my New (Koll balanced) Hurricane 600mm composits blades ($79) and the heli smoothed back up to original. AND boy did it do H autos better too!
Anyway...... when I got home I decided to tear down the head and Dial check the feathering and main shaft. Both were right on. I couldn't believe it so I dialed them 3 times ea. total. (Starrett dial ind. good to .001)
I also noticed that whoever had the heli before me had the head apart and left the ball race out of the thrust bearing assemble on one side only! It's been like this since before I got the machine! It didn't seem to fly too bad but what do I know? I was having a hard time keeping it in a smooth hover. Always having to hunt the heli down (know what I mean), much harder than my baron 20 I flew back in 1979.
Oldfart, what engine are you using?

Helicopter34, the canopy on mine is the FRP optional one from Heli-world.com. I like it.

Thanks

Magnum Fuel
12-04-2001 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Falcon SE

Hi Vetrider. I have used both the OS-46FXH engine and the OS-50SXH engines in My Falcon SE's. because of the gearing and a good exhaust system (CN3033A/K&S #478 and ARK SP46R) both have always been user friendly, ran smoothly (no foaming) and produced a lot of power. I have tried both with other exhaust systems (HHI/Yuasi and Weston) but could not get the consistant smooth running that I can with these three. In fact I think with this light heli, the extra power of the OS50SXH/CN3033A combo is close to being overpowered with the 600mm blades.

PS. The omitted thrust race would have caused a minor imbalance (minor because it is fairly inboard) and resulting minor vibration that may not even have been detected. But if you were to go upstairs and wind up your head speed to anywhere from 1800 plus, you probably would have found the pitch control on that blade very "sticky". This would/could cause som weird tracking problems through maneuvers. I trust you have replaced the thrust bearing. But this also speaks volumes for the great non-critical design of this Heavy duty rotor head.
12-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

Excellent, I have the CN3033A muffler and the new bearing assy should be here tomorrow.
I just ordered a Sceadu 50 w/OS50 and Hatori muffler. So I'll just keep the Falcon with the TT 46pro for now. I found out it runs much steadier on Cool Power heli 30% than 15% Cool Power Omega. So it stays as my Trainer for now.
Thanks for the info.

Magnum Fuel
12-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Falcon Se

After helping a fellow at our field with a Sceado 50 a couple of weekends ago, I went and ordered the new Falcon SE/OS50 combo. I was rather disappointed in the Sceado for the price. I expected (considering its' far higher price) for it to be a higher spec heli then my old SE and found it to be less! So the new version II/SE (which has a lot of improvements even on my old SE) is my next heli in the 46/50 class. It seems to be a step up from my Mystar 46 even.
12-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

The local LHS has the Sceadu 30 assembled on display so I looked it over. I've heard good things about it and if the bunches of shuttles flying around here are any indication then the sceadu will hold up very well.

There's a new guy to the area that has a Nexus 30 and his wife just bought him a Falcon SE II. I'm looking forward to eyeballing his very soon.
If it's a step up from your TSK it'll be a VERY nice heli. I love the quality of my Mystar 60.

Magnum Fuel
12-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Dr.Rotor
Heliman
Location:

new Falcon SE/II

The new Falcon SE/II is very impressive.
1 - New Rotor Hub from machined aluminum.
2 - New lighter canopy with a new shape including muffler cheeks and of smoother poly for better decal adhesion.
3 - New CNC machined all metal swashplate (note the Sceado 50 uses the same type of meatl/composite unit as Century uses on the HAWK IV and old SE). You will have to pay another $80.00 or so to get a metal one for the Sceado.
4 - The SE comes with an FAI class tail rotor system that has TWO radial bearings and ONE thrust bearing in each blade grip. (The Sceado has only one radial and one thrust bearing).
5 - New one piece flybar control yoke replaces the two flybar control arms in the old SE.
6 - The SE has the great clutch sytem that all attaches to the engine crankshaft so it does not reguire any critical alignment of the clutch to the cluch bell as does the Sceado (see Mike Mas's comments in his review in the last Rotory Modeler magazine).
7 - The start shaft in the SE stops turning after the engine starts so it does not require any critical alignment with a dial indicator in order to prevent any unwanted vibrations while the engine is running. (The Sceado's start shaft does turn at the high RPM of the engine so the start shaft should be be dial indicated to insure smooth operation - again, see Mike's comments in the Rotory review)
8 - The SE comes with some great 600mm symmetrical fiberglass mainblades rather then the too short 570mm semi-symmetrical units packaged with Sceado. Consequently the Falcon SE will have a better disc loading in the auto and a better pitch configuration in 3D aerobatics.
9 - The SE comes with a slipper clutch - the Sceado does not.
10 - The SE has a more user friendly canopy mounting system then the Sceado.
11 - The SE has a much longer tail boom then the Sceado so it can accomodate the longer blades that are needed to properly harness the power of the new high output engines.
12 - The SE uses a heavy duty 6mm feathering spindle to better handle the extra loadings of these longer blades, while I believe the Sceado only uses a 30 class 5mm unit.

There are probably more advantages to the SE, but I can't think of them at the moment other then that the SE is also a lot less money (about 20%!!! - also see the comments in the Rotory Modeler review).
12-08-2001 Over year old.
 
 
pkcc
Heliman
Location: CA USA

Falcon SE

I agree with the Doc. The Falcon SEV2 is a much better heli then the Sceado 50, and for only a little more then a Sceado 30!
12-10-2001 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

I just got a look at my friends new Falcon 46 SE V2 and all the above seems correct. He is VERY happy with it. It comes with the Hurricane composit 600mm blades (I have a set) and they do auto wonderful.
His flying buddy traded me several RC's (Shuttle and a plank) and extras for my 46SE V1.

Magnum Fuel
12-10-2001 Over year old.
 
 
JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

The Falcon 46 SE2 you are talking about, is it the same thing as the the Falcon 46/50 SE that I see on Heliworld's web site ?
I am thinking about getting one of these, I currently fly a Raptor 46 (also a 30 and a 60 )
Thanks
12-10-2001 Over year old.
 
 
whrlybrd
Senior Heliman
Location: Little Rock, AR

I have flown last year's version of the SE and have found it to be a solid heli for the price and a good value compared to other units out there. I am impressed with the new upgrades to V2 and will probably upgrade my unit as needed. Nothing else to add as above covers it also see Rotory Modler Jan-Feb 2002 page 64 for more info.
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Falcon SE/V2

JPBIII
Yes, The Falcon SE V2 on the Heli-world web site is the latest version we are talking about.

If you order one from Heli-world and find them out of stock, try ordering from Ron Lund. I believe he has them now also.

Check out the new 50 size Bell 47G on the Century site due in the spring - impressive!
01-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Falcon SE V2

After close inspection of the latest version (V2) of the Falcon SE and the Sceado 50 at the Pasedena Show last weekend, this is what I found.

1 - Sceado 50 sells at a much higher in price then the SE V2.
2 - The clutch system on the Falcon is a far more dependable design. The Sceado (like my Shuttle) still has the clutch bell held in place by the upper frame and the clutch attached to the engine in the lower part of the frame. So it still requires alignment. In fact alignment is even more critical here because in the Sceado, the start shaft is permanantly fixed to the clutch center so it will always be turning (at the high rpm - 16000 or so - of the engine) so the vibration mode will be very "radio and component" unfriendly!!! At least the Shuttle's start shaft rode in a one-way bearing so that it stopped turning when the engine started. I can see why people are already complaining about problems.
3 - The main rotor head of the Falcon is better because it has the proper delta hinging from the leading edge while the Sceado still controls the pitch from the trailing edge. This will result in blade flutter problems with many blades (as we see with the Shuttle and Raptor 30/50), specially once the ball links are worn a bit. (I see some are already reporting this in the Sceado forum)
4- The tail rotor assembly on the Sceado is an improvement on the Shuttle (one radial and one thrust bearing in each blade grip compared to only one bearing in that of the Shuttle). But it is still not up to that of the Falcon SE wich is like that of a top class FAI/3D machine with dual radial bearing support and a thrust bearing in each grip.
5- The Sceado came with 570mm FRP blades initially which were too short to properly load any 46/50 size engine (Century must have known this years ago, that is why they always supplied 600mm units with their Falcons). So Hirobo now supplies the Sceado with NO blades at the SAME price as before (when it came with the 570mm FRP) but include the needed extra bearing in the clutch bell support!. The Falcon comes with a proven bullet proof clutch system and with great 600 mm FRP blades.
6- The belt drive tail rotor system on the Sceado is an improvement over that of the Shuttle as the Shuttle's belt required four times the power of other systems (JR/TT/TSK) because it turned at the speed of the engine (all the reduction was done by the larger pulley and idler pulley in the tail rotor transmission at the rear). In the Sceado, Hirobo has at least gone to a system similar to that of the others, with the belt speed reduction at the front of the boom, so it turns at the speed of the tail rotor rather then that of the engine - much more efficient. But still not up to par with the Falcon SE V2's torque tube drive system!

So all in all, for a little more money then that of a Sceado 30, one can have a Falcon SE V2 that is better even then the Sceado 50!

I also inspected the new Raptor 50. I was very disappointed to see that they have just added a longer boom and blades, and changed the motor mount. So they will even have more clutch problems then they did in the 30. (more power in the same weak clutch design!!!) and still have not addressed the head configuration problem (longer blades will even prove to be a bigger problem!!!!). Why they did not configure it like their 60 is a mystery. Even the Sceado 50 is far superior.

Hmmm.....I know what my next 50 size will be......another Falcon.
01-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
pkcc
Heliman
Location: CA USA

Hmmm..........Hmm.....
01-25-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Clearance
Senior Heliman
Location: Left Coast Canada

pkcc,

You seem to have put an end to this thread :=)

The Old Fart can take it. In person he does tend to ramble on :=) It's just wet and soggy outside and he has time to pick and poke at the keyboard.

Ken
02-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Wet Outside

Hi Ken

This weekends weather forcast looks promising, maybe I can get out and burn some fuel. Compared my logs from last year to this year. From jan1 to Feb 8 last year the weather permitted me to burn a case of fuel. To date yhis year I haven't even burned a full gallon !!!!

How about you?
02-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
kevlar11
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton

Falcon v2

Hi

I'm just about finished building a Falcon 2se/OS50/GY401. I also have a Hawk SE . At almost the same weight as my Hawk this thing should
be a rocket!!!! I'm very happy with how it went together ie. hex keyed control ball's. I'm even thinking of taking the time to paint the canopy.

KD.
02-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Clearance
Senior Heliman
Location: Left Coast Canada

OldFart,

I've been out several times this year flying. However, family obilgations didn't permit me to have any fun this weekend:=)

I am still considering getting a Century Falcon. From all the positive reports it has to be the best buy!

Ken
02-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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