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Beginners Corner > when should i remove the training gear??
 
 
justme
Senior Heliman
Location: israel

how do i know i should lose the training gear??
since im afraid of crashing i want to know whats the best time to remove it. i know its stupid question but anyone has any advice??
i dont want to do it too soon, but not too late either...
thanks
04-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rickc
Elite Veteran
Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

As soon as you can set the heli down softly from a stationary hover get rid of the gear. Many come dependent on the gear. It's important you lose the gear as soon as you can. It will build confidence and the heli will fly better.

Rick
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Madcow
Senior Heliman
Location: Mackay, QLD, Australia

Should you re-attach gear at any stage, for example when you get into nose-in hover?
04-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Virtual1
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterloo, Iowa - USA

I was thinking of trying my first auto or two with the training gear back on, to help prevent a pancake, but I'm not sure it's a good idea... will all that extra weight be too much to smoothly auto with? It's a R50 so it's got engine and blade to spare, maybe that'll balance it out?
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Tskrotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Washington

Rick is right, as soon as you can land safely from hover take off the training gear. You will like how it responds without the gear on.

Madcow......Yes, put the gear back on to start learning nose-in from the ground up. Begin with by just getting it a few inches off the ground and soon you will have a steady hover. Once you have a steady hover start raising it up more but take your time.

Virtual1.......Try doing "Baby Autos" without the gear first. Get in a steady hover 2-3 off the ground and hit Idle Hold( which you have set up) and add pitch. This is a timing thing to where you learn when and how much pitch to add to make it settle into a soft landing. You can do this with the gear on if it makes you more comfortable but I wouldn't do it from altitude (30'-40').

Paul
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Virtual1
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterloo, Iowa - USA

The way I have my pitch curves set up now anyway, if I tried to flip throttle hold it would make an immediate change in pitch, is this the right way to set it up? I'm not sure what range to set my pitch for to do autos. Currently my radio's set for:

Norm: -4 to +9
Idle-up: -10 to +10
Hold: -5 to +15

Idles and hold are linear, norm is identical to idles on top end but levels out on low end so that idle and hold both hover at 3/4 stick.
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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linus
Senior Heliman
Location: Tennessee
Lose the gear when you can hover comfortably, take off and land without incident. Put it back on to learn nose-in.
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Tskrotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Washington

Virtual1

Your settings sound right but I will check. From a hover the pitch change should not be that great to notice. When you hit Idle Hold it will pause and start to descend. Let it drop to keep momemtum up and then add pitch. Try it.

Paul
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Virtual1
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterloo, Iowa - USA

k. I just don't want it to go FOOM up into the air 20 feet and then go "ok I'm out of rotor speed, down we go now!' (splat!)
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

You woun't go FOOM up in the air with throttle hold on. You will first start to decend slightly. Just add enough pitch to hold it in a two to three foot hover and set it down. Just don't pound the pitch to it the second you hit throttle hold, and you woun't go FOOM!

You'll be addictied to autos in no time.
Mal'
04-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Virtual1
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterloo, Iowa - USA

The "foom" was referring to the sudden change in pitch as I hit the hold switch. My throttle curve for HOLD is different than for IDLE or NORM so hitting the switch is going to cause an instant change in blade pitch almost anywhere I happen to have my throttle. Given that I'm likely to hit it while in NORM, it's going to probably add some pitch, since I have my HOLD pitch set to max out at full mechanical limit which is +15. I was wondering if this is a good idea, or should I make my HOLD pitch curve match my NORM curve in the above-mid-stick region?
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Virtual1
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterloo, Iowa - USA

Futaba 9CHP radio. It has separate configurable pitch curves for NORM, IDLE1, IDLE2, IDLE3, (not sure how to turn on IDLE3) and HOLD.

If your pitch doesn't change, it means you either have those curves set the same, or your radio's not able to or set up to change curves in HOLD mode.

From what I've read, I'm assuming that with HOLD mode, I need to have all available pitch to be able to smoothly and completely auto. (headspeed completely decayed as I'm touching down) I don't know if this is the case or not, but that's why I set the HOLD curve to go up to +15 max pitch. I've also set it to -4 min pitch so if I get a flame-out before I'm ready to auto proficiently, and slam the throttle down to conserve headspeed, I won't shoot down like a bottlerocket. (-10 when in IDLE1 would be uuuuugly to chopstick to after a flameout!)

Let me know if I'm doing it "wrong", or if there are better recommended setups. I'd like for my first autos and first "unplanned" auto to be memorable but -painless-.
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Tskrotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Washington

Virtual1

You're not going to go "FOOM" even if there is a big difference in pitch when you hit Hold because the engine has gone to idle and is no longer turning the blades. Put your mind at ease and check your pitch at hover (3/4 stick) and then hit the Hold switch. Did it really change that much? Remember that as soon as you hit the Hold that the blades are starting to lose momemtum.

Paul
04-22-2002 Over year old.
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

I match my hold curve to my norm curve so there is no change.
Mal'
04-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Darren Bradley
Veteran
Location: UK

I think the best time to remove them , is after you put some money in the bank
04-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Clearance
Veteran
Location: Left Coast Canada

If you're using two dowels in the "X" configuration, I would take one off and use the other across the skids to orient myself when I enter forward flight. Also I put them back on when I started to learn nose-in from the grond up.

Ken
04-25-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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