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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

I think Dr. Dan hit on it pretty good.

Since I've been flying planks for seven years and helis for four, I have always used thumbs only. I have lossened the stick tension to a minimum and added expo. While the expo helped so nobody else sees the shake, I still feel it and hate it. I have, for the past six months or so, been playing with the idea of switching to the pinch grip anyway. I have been finding that the control is better and more precise, but you loose the ability to hit the extremes quickly. I suppose that will come with time and practice.

Thanks for all the info and help. Hopefully the pinch will have me back at it with a vengance.

BTW, this all came about at IRCHA when I had to pause duing my demo because with the nevousness, the shake became so bad that you could see the heli shaking.

Thanks again,
I'm off.
Malorie

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-20-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Something like that.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-21-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: Austin, TX. Where fat chicks succeed.

Only in the cold....

Malorie,
I only have the thumb twitch when it gets cold outside.. Like the other day, it was about 60 degrees, and my thumb was ALL over the place.. I didn't think I would be able to fly.. Luckily, I had a hand warmer..
JEFF
I guess it was probably a little colder in Michigan.. Heh, heh..
02-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
jimmyhua
Veteran
Location: Guam

Hey Malorie,

As a person who doesn't have problems flying with thumbs only. I have the solution to your problems. You need to exercise that thumb some more . Buy a PlayStation 2 console, and buy a bunch of games.

Now, go practise that thumb of yours

Note, my fingers and thumbs hurt from playing Tekken Tag Tournament all day long. But not from flying .

Jimmy

“No, try not! Do or do not, there is no try.”
02-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

I'm more of a Zelda fan. So that thumb gets a workout all the time. Maybe that's part of the problem.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Taipan
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, Australia

Zelda fan too, well on the old Game & Watch handheld from 14 years ago!

I get the yips on rudder big time, especially when nervous & putting on demos. My mates shout out to me "turn down the gain you sillly bugger!" Ok, I just made that up.

Had 40% expo but that was giving inverted flight a hard time in turns, so turned it down to 20%. I have my stick tension as low as possible for chaos as well as shortening them as much as I can. So that my thumbs don't have to overextend themselves reaching the upper inside corners.

Also got pain on top of my right forearm, problem solved by using a neckstrap & keeping Tx level, not pointed up.

Tried pinching on the sim, don't like it too much but like you said is more precise. Slower to move than thumbs but Jase & Alan use this so it obviously works!
03-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
RotorHead486
Key Veteran
Location: England

I don't get the twitch's unless it is sub zero outside!

I have tried to fly finger/thumb to pinch the sticks but i don't feel comfortable flying like this, i moved on to heli's from fixed wing and i was taught to fly with my thumbs and so i fly the same way with my heli's now. I know of people who fly in the winter with gloves on but i consider this dangerous, i like to feel my transmitter and it's sticks when i fly, it allows me to feel what the heli is doing so to speak, i can feel what i am doing with the sticks.

I guess it's all a matter of how you were taught to fly, i notice that those who learnt to fly fixed wing first like myself fly with thumbs and those who learnt to fly heli's first seem to fly finger and thumb.

I'm comfortable with the thumbs!

cheers!
Rotorhead486

One Reason For Crashing'Rogue Servo Bent on World Domination'!!
QuickUK Pilot
03-08-2004 Over year old.
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Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

What is YIPS?

A multidisciplinary team at Mayo Clinic defined the YIPS as a psychoneuromuscular impediment to executing the putting stroke. It affects committed golfers such as top ranked amateurs and PGA professionals. Adding an average of five strokes per game, the YIPS involves twitching, stabbing, and freezing during the putt, which contributes to poor performance. Research shows that the YIPS affects golfers who have played for approximately 25 years (averaging 73 rounds per year) prior to the onset of symptoms. When Mayo Clinic surveyed 2,600 golfers with a 12-and-under handicap, 53 percent of the 1042 respondents reported experiencing the YIPS.

To date, the cause of the YIPS is poorly understood as the problem varies among individuals. The YIPS closely resembles a focal dystonia (episodic twitching and jerking, which is a result of a sustained abnormal posture). Others seem to get the "yips" as a result of "choking", an extreme form of performance anxiety. Symptoms are always worsened under conditions of anxiety and stress. Focal dystonias have been identified in other groups of people including musicians, writers and typists. Dentists and surgeons, whose work requires fine motor skills and athletes in sports, such as basketball and cricket, also report problems consistent with the definition of YIPS.
[Emphasis added]

http://www.mayo.edu/research/yips/topic_475.html

YIPS is really a weird syndrome. A golfer can have a great swing on the course until they get to the green. Then all hell breaks loose. They can't keep their hands steady to save their lives.

Malorie,

What you describe IS consistant with YIPS, uncontrollable twitching during periods of intense concentration involving hand-eye coordination and fine motor skills under stressful conditions. I sincerely hope you are not afflicted with YIPS. Something else to consider may be how much you are push down on the sticks when using only your thumbs. Most people will say 'nah, I'm not pushing down on the sticks that hard' when in reality they'd drive the sticks through the back of the tx if they pushed any harder. They're so focused on flying they don't even realize they're doing it. Changing to the pinch method doesn't allow you to apply as much down force to the sticks. This may be just enough to stop the twitching for you. Maybe with a little focus on what you're doing at the time the twitching starts will give some clues as to what you can do to stop it.

I fly using a combination of both pinch and thumb only. For take offs, hover, and landings I use the pinch method for fine control. I switch to thumbs only when I throw it around.

Good luck.
03-09-2004 Over year old.
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mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

i am starting to understand why the new 9z has those sharp pointed stick tops now.
a forceful reminder not to push down.

Copyright © 2001-2005 Mongo Consulting. All rights reserved.
03-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

I don't suspect it was too much downward force on the sticks, although I wouldn't discount the possability. I have always thought that I would hurt myself if I used the pokey stick tops.

I've now changed to the pinch grip and things are almost back to par. No more YIPS and I am just about as comfortable as I was with thumbs. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. However, I noticed today that if I am not using a neck strap, I only feel comfortable flying thumbs. I'm sure it has to do with not dropping the Tx.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
03-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Taipan
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, Australia

I think of the sharp sticks as 'anti-slip.' Though they slipped a couple of times with my thumbs in the upper inside corners while doing chaos.

When doing cycircles, I'm literally holding onto the left stick in the same corner as above by just one tooth! Not good when just above the deck. I fly M1 if anyone's confused how the sticks end up in those positions.
03-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Dan C
Senior Heliman
Location: Barnsley, Yorkshire

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I know of people who fly in the winter with gloves on but i consider this dangerous, i like to feel my transmitter and it's sticks when i fly, it allows me to feel what the heli is doing so to speak,


I didn't realise you could get force feed back JR transmitters must be why yours is never out of its box when its slightly cold

I can still fly better than you with gloves on
03-10-2004 Over year old.
 
 
shagdogjr
Heliman
Location: Canyon Country Ca

thumb flying

Dear Malorie,
I have been flying helicopters for almost 23 years with my thumbs and have not had the same experience,that you are having,I have tried the pinch method and I don't know how you guys do it as it is very uncomfortable for me,and I'm a pretty good pilot,so I'd say Dr. Dan is correct,take a break inbetween flights
03-11-2004 Over year old.
 
 
RotorHead486
Key Veteran
Location: England

YOU AGAIN !!!!!

What's up Dan? have i done something to offend you?

YEAH! RIGHT! Better at CRASHING yeah!!! i'll give you that one!! the rest of your flying skills are just......... well...... poor!...

Av you got that thing you call a raptor 30, Sorry!!! Craptor 30 repaired yet?? after you annihilated it at the weekend?

AND!!! don't even start with the... have i got that hunk of junk fury finished yet!!! it's almost there and you don't want to rub the X-cell lads up the wrong way,, like last time when they gid you a good hinding!!

Catch ya later
Rotorhead486

One Reason For Crashing'Rogue Servo Bent on World Domination'!!
QuickUK Pilot
03-11-2004 Over year old.
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