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ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

Any thoughts?
-Price is same (almost)
-Parts are more readily available for Rappie
-Flight Characteristics?

This will be my first heli. Torn between both...Can someone offer advice who has flown both?
-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-16-2004 02:14 PM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

This has been hashed out many-a-time already. Use the search function and you'll get plenty of reading.

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
02-16-2004 06:21 PM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

optech you took the time to write me back to tell me that someone else already discussed this question? And not offer your advice?

How lame.

All I was looking for was a simple answer with some bullets.

-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-16-2004 09:12 PM
 
 
elta68
Senior Heliman
Location: Zurich - Switzerland

yes please use the search engine, we do not want to discuss on a so hot subject (it is always a small war between heli users). This topics has been already discussed a lot of time.

best regards, [url]http://www.waltercedric.com[/url] caliber 30 sections
02-16-2004 09:16 PM
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d-n-jensen
Veteran
Location: Bellevue WA

I'll give you my opinion. I owned a Rappy for over 3 years and now have a Caliber for over 1 1/2 years. I have been flying heli's since 1995 and RC since 1988. My first heli was the concept 30 SRX. The Caliber is a good design with fewer parts than the Rappy. It is CCPM which I like, but needs good quality servo's to take full advantage of the control system. The Caliber has the best tail design in the 30 class. It does have some weak areas like all heli's on the market. The Rappy has market share and a whole lot of available upgrade stuff as a result. The new V2 version has fixed many of (not all) the weaknesses in the original design. Both will take you into the 3D realm. The Rappy has an easier path to making it a 50 with 600mm main blades. The canopy on the Rappy when it first came out got the ugly award but the caliber took that honer away and now holds the distinction (some like it). When the rappy came out it was the easiest heli to work on, but I feel the Caliber is even easier with the fewer parts and the CCPM. I can have my c30 striped down to bare frames in less than 30 minutes. It all boils down to the same old thing. If you are just starting out go with what the others in your area have. They will help you immencly with thier knowledge of the heli. If some of them have the c30 and others have the rappy then it is a toss up. I like CCPM and that did it for me.
02-17-2004 01:05 AM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

D-N-Jensen,
Thanks for your kind words and advice.

-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-17-2004 01:07 AM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

JG,

As I see your fairly new here, I'm gonna let your comment slide other than to say that it was completely uncalled for.

I, and many others, have written our thoughts concerning the pros/cons of your topic. The information is there and I do not wish to get involved in another "My brand is better than your brand war" which almost always happens.

Viva La Airtronics!
02-17-2004 07:29 AM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

Optech,
I didnt know asking such a SENIOR heliman for advice would yield such ignorant cynicism. I wasnt intending on creating a war.

You need to relax.

As for the others that were KIND enough to answer my question unconditionally thank you.

For you"Optech", you make it hard for the newbies to enter the field. Afterall, you had to ask someone for advice as well. You should return the favor to the heli community, especially on a internet forum dedicated to "SHARING" information. This is a place to ask questions, not be told to keep searching, like i am in some kind of library.

Best of luck to you Optech. I find your thought process very disenchanting. At least we can agree to disagree. If you dont want to get "involved" then dont respond. Others who are helpful and want to contribute to helpie such a "new" member will.

Peace & Happy Flying
-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-17-2004 01:24 PM
 
 
heliman
Senior Heliman
Location: Fullerton, CA

Goddamn, I like your style JG_Heli.

Optech, peoples' opinion might have changed about either of the helis since the last discussion on the comparison of the two birds.
02-17-2004 02:18 PM
 
 
dariof
Veteran
Location: Henderson, NV / Laguna Niguel, CA

JG Heli

Welcome to the world of RC Helicopters. It is a fascinating, never-ending learning curve.

There are some threads floating around regarding your question. D-N-Jensen really hit the nail on the head. You probably want to go with what is local and germane to the other people flying around you. Once you have picked up basic set-up skills and radio programming, then you will be in a better position (informed and skill level) to branch out and purchase what others don't have if you so desire. But having the help at this point in time is probably critical to continuing with the hobby. It can be frustrating at times, but it is incredibly rewarding to everyone at the levels they wish to achieve.

I have a Caliber 30 and love it. I am the only one at the filed, but that doesn't matter at this juncture. Actually, I retract that statement. I am now not the only one at the field. A new Helliman arrived the other day with a Caliber 30. I helped him set it up and we got it flying beautifully.

I have also helped other set up their Raptors. They are also very nice helis and certainly do a better job at markting (hence, the market share).

You can't go wrong with either.

Best of enjoyment.

Oh yes: I have been reading posts now for over a year. There are all types of people who will give a myriad of advise and structure that advise in certain ways. Some are definitely nicer and more helpful than others. I too get a little miffed when I get a sarcastic, seemingly attacking answer. It's too bad that happens, but eventually you'll associate names with responses you care to read (and don't care to read). I would be willing to bet you have started doing just that!

Best Regards, Dario
02-17-2004 02:45 PM
 
 
corn_tortilla
Heliman
Location: Round Rock

Quote 
Optech,
I didnt know asking such a SENIOR heliman for advice would yield such ignorant cynicism. I wasnt intending on creating a war.

You need to relax.


I've got to stay on Optech's side here. It's common courtesy to use the search function on any forum before asking a question. There are tons of these threads (I read'em before buying my Caliber). Optech's response is very common and not really considered rude IMO.

With that said, and out of the way..... Welcome to the world of flying rc helis. I hope you brought you $checkbook$ because you'll get hooked too. I've just bought my 3rd heli & have only been doing this since September.

I myself like the Caliber, but the only con's I know of are A) Needs radio frame brace for 3d($20) B) No Scale Fuselages will fit completely C) The 50 conversion kit is hard to get your hands on -- I had to go through France to get mine. But it's the quietest, easiest to work on of my 3 heli's (2 are scalers)


~corn
02-17-2004 05:06 PM
 
 
d-n-jensen
Veteran
Location: Bellevue WA

JG one of the things you will learn here on the forum is that there are many who will gladly give of there knowledge and many who will not. Many of the ones who will have all of a few months flying heli's and are just getting into forward flight. They spout off their own experiences and have little true expertice to back up their thoughts. You need to be careful how you interpret the posting here. I have used the search function here many times but much of what get takes a lot of time and reading to get the answer you are looking for. For a long time poster here to come down on you is in my opinion not what this hobby/sport needs. Oh by the way did I say you should get the Caliber? Flame througher at the ready.
02-17-2004 05:47 PM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

Thank you all very much for your very valuable and experienced advice.

Ultimately my decision will be based upon local support, and how much my wife will forgive me for spending...

Happy & Safe Flying...

-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-17-2004 05:57 PM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

OMG!........ I'm ROFLMAF! Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!

JG- What the hell happened to your Cheerios this morning?

All I did was advise you to use the search engine available to maybe find some answers to your question. You start in calling me lame. WTF is up with that? I wasn't trying to be mean to you! I wasn't being sarcastic and vindictive! I didn't use "!" or the negative smiley faces that are used to emphasize a negative point. Your reply was total bull$hit.

But, Instead of going off, I again tried to explain my position in a civil manner. An again you go off with some rude A$$ pontification about my motives. Did it make you happy??? It reminds me of a comment I once read, "Rudeness is a weak man's imitation of strength". Is that the kind of person you are that you have to go off like a spoiled brat when someone asks that you get off your A$$ and do a little research on your own?

My reply to you to do a little searching had nothing to with my not wanting to take the time to help you out but everything with helping yourself and maybe learning a little more than you planned for. Yes, it takes a little time but I guess maybe you think that others should do it for you.

DARIO and DNJENSEN,
I noticed in your replies some illusions to “some people not wanting to help a newbie”. Was that meant about me? Because if it was, I know for a fact that the two of you have been around long enough to know that I’m all about the Caliber. I’ve defended it vigorously. You’ve seen my posts and replies to questions. Even a brief look through the threads in the Kyosho forum will see that I am more than willing to help people out where I can. I’ve even interacted with the both of you with respect as fellow Caliber flyers. And I also know that the two of you know exactly what I’m talking about when I talked about these types of “brand vs. brand” threads blowing up into nonsense. So hey!,…. Thanks for getting my back fellas, Thanks, thanks a bunch.

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
02-17-2004 10:57 PM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

Optech (Mike) or Mr. Reed,

You are/were either incapable or unwilling to answer the question i initially posed. Only you know the truth to this.

If you had put as much effort in to your first response as you have now, flexing your keyboard muscles, perhaps this could have been avoided.

Talk about sensative...Man, take off the skirt.

Alls well though. I am buying a rappie .50. Too much damn trouble getting information in here, lol.

I'll look you up next time i am in AZ. Perhaps you can swallow your pride and have a beer with me.

Until then, peace & happy flying.
-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-17-2004 11:04 PM
 
 
jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

JG_Heli,

Optech is absolutly correct in educating you in using the search feature here in RunRyder. Optech did nothing wrong in his meaning or wording in indicating this to you.



"Ultimately my decision will be based upon local support, and how much my wife will forgive me for spending..."

Then why ask?
02-17-2004 11:27 PM
 
 
A. Bundy
Elite Veteran
Location: Aurora,IL. 30W/SW of Chicago

JG_heli You got a lot of nerve talking to Optect like that.Show a little respect and it will get you way farther in life. YOU could have let it go when he suggested you search.He was not aggressive to you in the first post at all IMHO.You come off like a wise ass 15yr old punk in your posts.......You may not see it,but he was trying to help you.There is an absolute wealth of knowlege in the search area.And questioning his ability to answer the question is lame of you.Look at the helis in his profile.
02-17-2004 11:55 PM
 
 
ReadyHeli
rrAdvertiser
Location: Jupiter, FL

Ill let GOD decide how much nerve I have.

Worry about yourself. Fight your own battles.

Im sure Optech appreciates your concern.

-JG

John @ Readyheli
02-18-2004 12:57 AM
 
 
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