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Off Topics > Thunderbirds F-16 crash pic
 
 
fritzthecat
Key Veteran
Location: New Orleans

If you remember a few months ago, one of the T-Birds crashed during an airshow. Cause was determined to be pilot error. Those little details involving density altitude, a split-S and it being his first airshow flight means about 20 million less tax dollars.
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Here is a pic:
http://fritzthecat.250free.com/imag...front-eject.jpg
and a video of the crash:
http://fritzthecat.250free.com/images/temp/aby.mpeg

Please right click and save the 4 meg video to conserve bandwidth.
Thanks

Fritz


'Send Money, Women and Guns!'
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Yeah saw that at the News.. Apparently was the pilot error caused the crashed of the Thunderbird. Pilot underestimated the altitude when he did a split ess, too low to pull up , he had to eject. At least he did keep the plane away from spectators though.

Naomi
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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Ralphw
Key Veteran
Location: Spring, TX

He actually started the pull portion of the manuver at the altitude that was correct for his home field which was approximately a thousand feet lower than the required minimum at the field where the accident took place. The T-birds have since changed their minimum altitude requirements for certain manuvers and I think they are using an altimeter set to zero instead of converting MSL altitude while performing (plus a couple of other changes as well). He was less than 1 sec from impact when he punched out....Yikes!!

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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Hughes500Pilot
Key Veteran
Location: Anaheim, CA

This was posted on 1-28-04. Click link below for the post. -Steve

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t85652p1/

02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Taipan
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, Australia

Damn, that's scary!

Ground crew video 1.3Mb: www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album44/acb.wmv What's that bouncing ahead? The engine?
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

I bet he has two big brass ones.

Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

yup plus he is now an inch shorter.

http://jimsrc.com
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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brandon_05
Heliman
Location: hfahahga

it wasent his first airshow hes been on the team for 2 years.
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
brandon_05
Heliman
Location: hfahahga

02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
mcatech
Veteran
Location: Mount Gambier SA Australia

in the still shot it looks like the AoA is sufficient to pull out
I might download the vid and have a look
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

altitude is too low and the time for the transition to start upwards is not there, inerta and gravity suck at this point in the process.. it was impossible to recover. and it was 8/10ths of a second before the plane splatterd that he said goodbye asshole. (bailed out.)

http://jimsrc.com
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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Data Android
Senior Heliman
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

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in the still shot it looks like the AoA is sufficient to pull out

I hope you are not an official or a pilot, how could you determine something like this from a still??
for all I know, his AoA could be whatever it wants to be, what counts is Vs
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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Davo
Veteran
Location: London, UK

You can see from the photo that the leading edge slats are deployed so the flight control system was obviously trying to get all the lift it could, and in the video you can see the condensation due to vortices indicating very high AoA right up to impact.... shame it wasn't enough to save the plane but at least the pilot got out.


02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Woody218
Veteran
Location: Bismarck, ND

He just plain didn't have enough altitude for the intended maneuver. Yes, the flight computer on the F-16 controls g limit, but in this case I'm sure he was putting in all the control inputs he had available. He just didn't have enough room between him and the ground. Also, the photo of the moment of ejection shows the wings level, but that means nothing. Remember, what counts is the angle of attack to the relative wind, not angle of attack to the ground.


Gravity Always Wins!
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

anyone see the cockpit vid of that?? you can see the left hand doing the throttle/d-handle dance soon as he gets upright ... he knew he was punching the ticket

http://jimsrc.com
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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cloudmax
Senior Heliman
Location: Bay Ridge Brooklyn,NY

What a video!
It really shows how quick your thinking and assessment of a situation has to be.
You can see by his body language the exact point where he realizes he's in the sh*t. The time between that and punch out is a fraction of a second.

You can also see in the still picture that even though the plane looks level you can tell by the heat diffusion trail off the engine that the plane is going down. The heat trail is all above the plane.

That's an expensive ooops!
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Rotory Wings
Heliman
Location: Poughkeepsie, NY USA

Yeah, a lotta stuff going on in a little time! Watch the slat deployment as it changes; you can bet that he was trying to save it but ran out of air!
(Used my "Zach Sparks Transmitter Mitt" again today! Get one if you like to fly in the cold.)
02-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

I have heard from a fairly good authority re this video that he tries to punch out repeatadly (3 times). Luckily the last time it worked.
Watch his left arm . Apparently the eject lever is located under his seat between his legs.
Greg
02-14-2004 Over year old.
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Jagboy69
Key Veteran
Location: Lake Mary, Florida (20 mins East of Orlando)

where is this video?? couldn't find it... hey jim... you know the Aces2 seat is a Zero/Zero seat right?? 0 alt and 0 a/s and you still should walk away from the scene.... maybe limp.... either way.. the seat has 3 ejection sequences that it can run all depending on airspeed taken thru the pitot tubes next to the pilots helmet... the onseat computer decides what course of action to take such as drouge chute first or main chute or no chute at all... (for awhile).... there is a rocket naturally in the back of the seat and a gyro that under the seat that "rights" the seat in the event of an inverted ejection... Pretty smart seat.... infact.. the seat has a 100% reliability rate when used in it's envelope.... It is also possible to free fall the seat out of the airplane once the canopy is jettisoned by some freaky pilot maneuver found in the operating book in case the main rocket fails.. Oh well.. anymore info... we can ask an egress troop... I know a few still... take it easy.. Jason

Jason /// Sceadu50/9chp WWW.Jagboy69.com
02-15-2004 Over year old.
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GregKRC
Senior Heliman
Location: Auburn, AL

Does the F-16 have an auto-eject? I don't see how the pilot would even have enough time to hit the eject. Crazy video!
02-15-2004 Over year old.
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