rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 767 ONLINE 25 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
6 pages [ <<    <     2      3     ( 4 )     5      6     NEXT    >> ]5068 viewsTOPIC CLOSED
PowerHelis . Heli Wholesaler . 3D Heli Depot

.
.
Off Topics > I NEED THIS MACHINE!
 
 
Salty
Elite Veteran
Location: Jville Fl...Ahhhh getting better

GIVE EM HELL MARK!!!!You know, I work with MP5's, HK's, GAU-16A, M-60D, M240, in my line of work at home I own quite a few guns, one silenced....and I have all the proper permits to own the lethal wepons that I have, but the simple fact is always the gun does not kill....the person with the gun does...I personally think that everyone should be able to carry concelled weapons. why you ask? because then all the illegal buttheads that are up to no good dont know which mark they have picked out is gonna blast back. chimiera, you ever had a gun to your head? I have. you ever been shot at? I have. you ever been shot? I almost have damn close call...and you know what? that does not change the fact that I still want as many people carrying weapons as possible. I protect the right to bear arms. and I protect lots of other rights too along with my fellow sailors and GI's. dont tell me or anyone else here were messed up for having guns....lots of people have fought for our rights and gave EVERYTHING for them. these rights we have are paid for in blood, and damn it, something that serious shouldnt be outlawed.

chimera, why dont you go outside and practice falling down.....I'll be out in a minute.
02-07-2004 05:05 AM
 
 
Greg Faust
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern VA, USA

This thread has gotten so long I haven't even read the whole thing but I'm still going to give my 2 cents. I don't want to be outgunned... A gun is a gun, why ban certain guns and not others.

Let me post the question:

who is more likely to shoot them self a child who has been taught how to handle and respect a gun or a child who secretively goes and finds his dad's gun.

the answer is:

Children will always be curious and that can't be changed. Teaching them removes the curiosity and instills knowledge.
02-07-2004 05:06 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Madman
Veteran
Location: Roswell, GA

You have Haggis and bagpipes, we have guns. Both will kill you.

If the price comes down to where you tightasses would part with 2 or 3 Euros to buy one, we'll send you some.
02-07-2004 05:24 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
helidog
Senior Heliman
Location: usa

chimera


I would like to clear up a few things.

First of all you don’t live in this country so where did you gain all of this knowledge? From the US new media? Well that’s your first mistake. The US new media has always looked at the gun issue as an easy story to pick at and start a big issue. Every time you here them speak of guns, right away it an “ASSAULT WEAPON” I’ll tell you that I have grew up with guns and I have many and never once have I seen any of my guns get up and kill anyone.

When I was 8 years old I was shooting with a COLT 45 in my hand and I have been a hunter and a marksman my whole life. And yes I do own ASSAULT WEAPONS a whole **** load of them. The last time I had looked in the English dictionary under assault it came up as = (attack) and weapon came up as = (article used in fighting).
It’s funny how they don’t use that same term to describe Knives, Base ball bats, automobiles, pencil or pen, forks, butter knives.

If you’re not completely stupid I think you might figure where I’m going with this.

ANY THING USED AGAINST ANOTHER PERSON TO CAUSE BODILY HARM IS CONSIDERED AN ASSAULT WEAPON>”””””PERIOD””””””


I tell you what, If any one wants to ARGUE that point I would like to show you how quick a Philips screw driver can poke holes in your heart and lungs while you are laying on the ground dying in a puddle of blood. I would even be happy to show you how quick I could give you a lobotomy with a ball point pen. But you can’t call a screw driver or pen
an assault weapon we would have to outlaw them to.

Should we get into steak knives?

We best not because all of the anti gun people wouldn’t have anything to cut there FUC””ING STEAKS WITH WHILE THERE OUT HAVING ANTI GUN MEETING. WOULD THEY?

The word assault weapon is loosely and wildly used by the US media to describe guns.
This is because the US news media are nothing but a bunch of liberal bastards.
Hell, there in no story if you have to report the truth, the news media only reports what they can blowup out of proportion to make sure people will watch there network.

The best part about it is they control what they want you to here so if you confront them on the air they just cut you off because they don’t want the American people to know the truth. The truth is that the news will say anything if the price is right and the ratings are up


I have spoken many times with law enforcement and they have all told me the same thing. More people get killed by a knife than guns. As far as children getting killed by guns. Yes this happens more than I would like to admit. But the large numbers that you speak of are not from assault, it is from gun owners not teaching there children how to respect the weapon as with any weapon it is not a toy.

Before you get to hung up on the guns killing children you best take a look at how many children are killed in car accidents because there parents didn’t strap them In the car seat.

Also look at all the deaths of children caused by sex offenders that are being let out when they know that these people are going to strike again, they use knives in almost all cases “not guns” to commit the crime.

I have loaded guns all over my house and my boys know not to touch. If they want to go shooting we go, you get home and put them away.
My personal fire arms are loaded. When someone breaks into your house they are not going to wait to let you load your gun to protect yourself or your family.


There is an old saying in the USA.

GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE>PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE.

I remember a few years ago a big anti gun woman started up on how we should do away with guns in the USA.
Shortly after she was attacked in her own (SAFE) neighborhood.
She applied for a concealed hand gun permit. This was not brought up by the new media.

If some one from CANADA is reading this please tell me if losing your guns have caused the crime to go away.

Criminals will always have guns; it’s no different than drugs. Drugs are outlawed and its funny there are millions of dollars worth of drugs on every street in every country.


Well its time to stop bitching because you can never change the mind of a tree hugger

If you are such a big buff on USA history, look up the United States Constitution.
Find out why the constitution was wrote and also take a good look at what our forefathers fought fore.


One more thing wasn’t Sean Connery Scottish?
He is Cool.

what the hell is your problem. Just goes to show you can’t judge a whole country because of one dumb ass.


02-07-2004 05:25 AM
 
 
Mangusta
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

thanks for the reply augiep38

talking about teaching the children.. I saw a documentary a while ago about some gun enthusiasts gettogether.. families and all.. and they let the children shoot machine guns on tripods. You think that's a bit too much or what?
Just wondering.

hey Mark, why dont u ever voice your opinion? Do you have any guns??

Madman, could you send me an old type M16? paypal ready! I sure love the design of that rifle...
02-07-2004 05:36 AM
 
 
Mark Ryder
Elite Veteran
Location: Encino, CA

Quote 
hey Mark, why dont u ever voice your opinion? Do you have any guns??


I am too shy and yes I do.

Mark
02-07-2004 05:41 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
tailwhip
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern WI

I thought some of you would like this. I received this awhile back.



Marine Corps General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other
day and you have to read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children.
Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you got to love this!!!!

This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.


FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?


GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing,
archery, and shooting.


FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?


GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.


FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?


GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.


FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent
killers.


GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

The radio went silent and the interview ended.
02-07-2004 05:44 AM
 
 
Newdaddy
Heliman
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada

Since you asked:

I am from Canada, and we didn't actually lose all our guns, just the use of some of them.

Some types were designated prohibited, existing owners could keep them, but no new ones acquired. This includes machines guns and ultracompact handguns with really short barrels. Some of the "nastier" models like Uzi's, were outright confiscated without compensation.

Some of them were given "restricted" status, meaning they had to be registered, and could only be transported and used at a licensed firing range/gun club. This would include all handguns and semi-automatic mility assault "style" rifles like the AR-15.

All others were given registered status, meaning they must be registered, and to register, mandatory training and references are required.

It should be noted that the gun registry is a un-mitigated political disaster, costing over a billion dollars and counting, for roughly 2.4 million firearms. And the data is reported to be so un-reliable, that police agencies don't use it.

I don't know whether that is related to many law abiding firearm owners registering thier kids toy guns or their golf clubs, which has been know to happen.

I sold all my guns prior to the registration date. Really I did, honest.
02-07-2004 06:03 AM
 
 
corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

Gun control is a steady hand

02-07-2004 07:13 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Ozzy Pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, Australia

Going back some time we had a very very sad event that has come to be known as the Port Auther Masacre. This event was the triger for the start of the "gun debate" in Australia. that has seen the ongoing robery of law abiding citizens guns by our government with absolutely no effect on gun related crime. Now people are scared to stop at red traffic signals, walk in their own street and go to sleep in their own home. Thanks Mr Prime Minister!!

All I want to say is the next time a "port Aurther" happens, god forbid, I just hope there is at least one ex "law abiding" gun owner in the crowd that has the skill to bring the masacre to an end!

Let there be more skilled and trained responsible gun owners in society and I guarantee there will be less crime.

You can bet your life on it.

Member of Good Guy list (seller) Pg. 23. Turbines - Audile pleasuring
02-07-2004 07:20 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Tulsaboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, Okie-la-homie

Brits don't own guns?

This is not true...brits own hunting and clay target shooting guns just as we "Americans"...I have a fine sporting clay's shotgun that was designed and used by "A.J. "smoker" Smith from England to win the World sporting clay's championships.....It was manufactured by "Winchester firearms" and briefly by "Classic doubles"....A.J. Smith and Duffy Waldorf of Scotland, both world reknown clay target shooters, have extensive firearm collections...As a matter of fact the royal family...Ah hem.... Have the finest and most expensive personal firearm's collection in the world.....They in fact have their own personal gunmaker's, considered the "Midas" of all personal hunting firearms makers...The last time I read about them, you could have a fine shotgun made at about $200,000 to $250,000 U.S. dollars...but that was 10 yrs ago... FWIW
02-07-2004 07:21 AM
 
 
lightman
Senior Heliman
Location: ShowTown MO

Well folks... This all comes down to education. Columbine, drugs in schools, gangs, underage drinking, climbing rate of teen pregnancy, and a host of other young people related issues.
The final word is responsability, both on the parents end and the childs end. We make our own bed here folks. You teach your child hate, abuse, sexual promiscuity, drinking etc, by example. If this current generation had been less concerned with making fortunes and driving Humvees then our current young generation would not have these problems. Lead by example and by educating your children. In our current liberal led march of "not OUR fault" I am really not suprised by the current state of affairs in the US. Blame our parents for metal abuse because we brought home a C-. Then both the parents and the child blame the teachers for the low grade, then the teachers blame the school curriculum for bad materials and then blame the school board for choosing it. Then the board blames the superintendant for poor leadership... and on and on.. You get my point. The buck never stops with anyone personally. There is always a scapegoat.
Columbine, where did the buck stop there? Bullys? Parents? Schoolboard? If you have read updates on that school you'll find that the popular kids now completely rule the school with no fear of retrubution from anyone. They claim that they have "retaken" the school from "those" kids. As a member of the subclasses when I was in school I can guarnetee that "those" kids are now being tormented at a whole new level. Where is the balance here? Guns wont cure it, the school won't, whats to insure that the socially inept will get a positive education? The EXCUSE related to Columbine is guns, well.. they stole them, and the most deaths were from a hunting style shotgun. Assalt weapons my ass. A previous poster had it correct, ANYTHING is an assult weapon. Just ask the Jujitsu guys. I took JJ for about 3 months and recieved training that made me VERY dangerous VERY quickly. However I was also tought the RESPECT and REPSONSABILITY that goes along with it. I am now a PROUD practicioner of "RunFoo".
I personally own 1 shotgun, 1 rifle, and 2 handguns. ALL are loaded at ALL times. If ANYONE comes to me and attempts to take away "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" they will find them selves on the business end of any one of my firearms, knife, hammer, screwdriver, CF main blade, beerbottle, steak knife, High voltage wires, aircraft cable, barb wire, boot, or whatever else I see in the split second I have.

My final comment.
You want to live in a better world, then teach your children to be better people.

Wade
Pro-gun
Pro Jesus
Pro Choice (that means I support the right to choose in ALL things)
Pro American
Pro Family

Anti Liberal
Anti spam
Anti telemarketer
Anti buckpasser
Anti poor HTML
Anti Java
Anti Fixed wing
Anti BULL****
02-07-2004 08:21 AM
 
 
chimera
Senior Heliman
Location: Scotland

Got out of bed, logged on and read some of this CRAP, some had good points, but a lot of Monkeys just get up on the stance of slagging of the rest of the World. Great Brittain is one of the most open countries in the world and having travelled around a lot ( including the states) is one bloody great place to live. After reading a lot of these attacks on me and my country for daring to have an opinion that negates on guns It is very understanble why the rest of the World thinks that the US is a blody joke of a country populated by idiots.
I am not slagging off your country, I have not slagged off your country, I have just disagreed with its Gun Laws. If you guys continue in this type of vain spouting of hatred against anybody that disagrees with you, your country will become increasingly isolated. Trust me here you do not want that. All great powers end, other great powers replace them. Do not rush this process along.
And as for those that chose to have a prsonnel go at me and my country. UP YOURS. Scotland is a great and proud nation, and if you think you are hard enough come and have a go.
To the ones that entered into the spirit of discussion, thankyou for opions and well versed arguments.
02-07-2004 10:24 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

The way I see it is guns are here, and are here to stay. If they were outright banned, then the criminals would still have them. There is no way possiable to collect them all, as there are most likely more illegal guns on the streets than there are legal ones. And this goes for all countries, not just the US. Being responsable with guns is more important than an outright ban in my eyes. Education is the key to responsable gun ownership period. If you live in a country that allows a simple .22 rifle, or even shotguns. You still live in a country that allows guns. A .22 rifle is just as deadly as an AK-47 in the right (or read wrong) hands. It is not the caliber or type of gun that makes it dangerous, it is the idiot holding it. And a knife can be just as deadly. As can swords. And both can be made with little effort, as can guns. This debate can go on for years, and will still not hit the root of the problem. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. With whatever method they choose. If you don't like the American gun laws, so be it. That is your right to have this view. But I do support them, and am a RESPONSABLE gun owner. I will not trash you for your views, but I will use my right to dissagree with the way you think things should be. I will say it again, guns are here to stay, in one fashion or another. And in my oppinion it would at the very least probably start a major revolt in this country if the government decided that they were going to take them all away. So it is a mute point. And if they did succeed in takeing them all away, the black market would have a field day with selling illegal arms. And I am sure a lot of them would be fully automatic weapons. However I myself would not be opposed to first time buyers being required to go through a gun safety course before their first purchase. That might help curve a few of avoidable accidents. But I will not give up my guns because someone else thinks I should. Thats my take, no matter how stupid you think it is.

And to think this all started over a picture that had not one thing to do with guns in the first place.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
02-07-2004 10:50 AM
 
 
chimera
Senior Heliman
Location: Scotland

Buzzin Brian, very well said, and I agree, I have a personnel dislike now of Guns, my cousin was shot six times in his garden in South Africa by a black nutter (no offence to blacks, just this one). You will not get rid of Guns in America and its just plain stupid to think you will, I do think you need to try and educate some of the people that are using them, do not glamourise them, and keep them the hell away from kids. The majoity of people do no doubt. But I very happy that we and the majority of our police still do not have them. Just my opinion.
PS, I used to own a collection of replicas, as I think that guns are amazing bits of engineering and give most males an adrenilain rush just holding them, me included, and I did not agree with the UK taking away the gun clubs as they where very closely monitored, well run and governed establishment. I just do not want to see guns openly on my streets.
02-07-2004 11:08 AM
 
 
alanhsu
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

wow...gun issue in a heli forum...!

anyways. This is what I know.

Heli is design for one reason. FLY!

and Guns are design for one reason too. KILL!

simple. More guns more Kill, less guns less kill.

If you don't mind crime/death going up somewhat, allow guns!
if you do then don't allow them.

Apparently some people here don't mind, and some do. So we have an argument. But you must realize by now, people who don't mind just Don't mind and people who do just DO. you are not going to change each other's mind by discussing guns in a heli forum^^
02-07-2004 12:04 PM
 
 
markduncan
Heliman
Location: North East Scotland Just outside Oldmeldrum

Thread changed

Hi all

Now im from scotland and must say that not naming names but the ramblings of one person from scotland does not give a overal view of that nation. so please guys donot juge us by one annally retentive asshole

And as everyone is entitled to their own view let the guy ramble on he will soon get tired and dissapear up his own a** again

And as for gun laws they are there in the US and thats it ,even if anyone else dont like it, thats the law as it stands so live with it dont whinge about it, and dont come drum beating attempting to overpower your view and beleifs upon others this is a channel for one thing our love helis,

Nothing brings dissent faster than one persons views on religion and politics, please leave politics and religion at the bloody door and lets get back to having fun be it with our hewli's or a caption INTENDED as a JOKE .

So to the guy im ashamed to say come from the same country as myself go to the shops bud and see if you can buy a bloody LIFE. AND yes you are entitled to your own views BUT you ARE NOT entitled to whistle blow and ram your view down anyone elses throat so please cease and desist immediatly.

My 2 monetary denominations

Regards

Mark
02-07-2004 12:25 PM
 
 
hingus2000
Key Veteran
Location: West Midlands UK Posts: 75069

look, im from england (not scotland, too many sweaties! ).

Regardless of which stance i take on guns. I find some of the comments on this board, by some slack jawed yokels highly offending.

all this "that is why we kicked you out of the country" crap. Why can't some of you enter into a spirited debate with some facts and well thought out opinions?

Some people have provided some good commetns for and against, but why do a lot of people insist on posting such crap?

Chimera made a good point, that it is these idiots that are making america more and more isolated from the rest of the world. Its one thing to be patriotic, it is another thing to post some of the right wing bull**** that has been posted on here.

On the gun issue, id say im pretty neutral, being only 15 i own 2 BB guns and enjoy shooting the **** out of cans and occasionly picking off a pigeon or two. but i have never, or never will had urge to shoot at a person with intent to harm them.

i agree that most gun owners are very responsible, but slightly siding with chimera here, i think that making guns so easily available in america means the minority of idiots can still get their hands on lethal weapons and cause damage.

someone said "guns dont kill people, people kill people". yes that is true but dont guns give people the method of killing people? without a gun, it is a lot harder to go about killing people.

Rant over!

Tom

T-Rex SA, Anodized Head, Gy240, 3s TP 2100mah, Align 35A ESC, 430L Motor
02-07-2004 01:02 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

It is not actually harder to kill people without a gun, knives do it just fine. As we have seen with many serial killers. They generally preffer up close and personal contact with their victims. Do people assisted guns kill people? Yes they do, but so do cars. And like I said, if the US banned and confiscated all guns, there would still be a plentifull supply for criminals. Education is the key to a safe gun owner. Oh, and that BB gun can kill a human just as easily as most real firearms in the right (read wrong) hands. And killing birds for fun is not only not cool, it is cruelty to animals.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
02-07-2004 01:23 PM
 
 
hingus2000
Key Veteran
Location: West Midlands UK Posts: 75069

killing birds for fun!? isnt that the same as hunting though? and pigeons are deemed pests.

Anyway more importantly the point i was trying to make is that generally you dont witness many massaccres with knives. Guns is the easy way to kill people. i wasnt referred to serial killers, i was more referring to massacres and killing on site rather than pre planned murders.

Tom

T-Rex SA, Anodized Head, Gy240, 3s TP 2100mah, Align 35A ESC, 430L Motor
02-07-2004 01:43 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
6 pages [ <<    <     2      3     ( 4 )     5      6     NEXT    >> ]5068 viewsTOPIC CLOSED
JR-Spektrum . Gyro Hobbies . E-flite

.
.
Off Topics > I NEED THIS MACHINE!
 PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Friday, January 9 - 12:09 am - Copyright © 2000 - 2009 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie