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Mangusta
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

is the AR a semi automatic M16?
02-07-2004 02:15 AM
 
 
Bell 430
Senior Heliman
Location: West Grove Penna

Chimera,
Yes I agree that china may be a superpower, BUT they would not fight terrorist when they were asked. they preferred to sit back and be a spectator, in my opinion they are not wiling to get the Bloody nose as we have. Not to get any farther into this, But I was stationed in England for one year. I must say I actually enjoyed my tour there, but would not choose to return.

AMA 232513 My money flies better then I do
02-07-2004 02:15 AM
 
 
chimera
Senior Heliman
Location: Scotland

Well that was fun, goingt o bed now. Hope I have'ent pissed to many of you yankee folks off, but if I have its been fun and I promise I will still respect you in the morning.



Thinking of posting something about that idiot Ronald Reagan and that Kennedy nutter tomorrow, Then again maybe not.
02-07-2004 02:17 AM
 
 
BIGRCR
Veteran
Location: Easley, South Carolina

The AR 15 is a semi version of the M 16 with a few other small differences as I understand.

BIGRCR- John Garst
02-07-2004 02:18 AM
 
 
BIGRCR
Veteran
Location: Easley, South Carolina

Chimera,

Have a good one! No hard feelings.

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BIGRCR- John Garst
02-07-2004 02:19 AM
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

close the thread...
close the thread...
close the thread...

well , don't say I didn't warn you...

the yanks are coming...
the yanks are coming...

better wear something other than red this time...
remember red can be easily seen in the bushes...

well I think you've got the message by now...

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...

WHAT SIGNATURE?
02-07-2004 02:19 AM
 
 
akforsyth
Senior Heliman
Location: Beyond Hope and through the gates of Hell

I would like to throw my $0.02 on on this one. I have my opinion, but that is neither here nor there. I would like to throw out the fact that I am a paramedic, and my wife is a cop. Now we see the crap out there on a daily basis. I am an avid hunter as well. To top it all off I believe I am a responsible gun owner. Now I have picked up the lifeless bodies off the floor before because of guns, sometimes they have been children who did not have a chance, that weighs on me heavily each day. I perservere through the nightmares and see professional help when I need it. I also no longer work in a larger city. Before we all go spouting our mouths off about its our right or it is stupid, which ever view point you want to take, if you could do me the favor and watch an excellent doccumentary by Michael Moore, it is called Bowling For Columbine . It was a fantastic movie. There is no conclusion reached in this movie by the author, but rather it is left open for each individual to make their own conclusion.

One last thing I would like to add to my American friends out there is the fact that many of the guns used in crime in your country come from law abiding citizens that have had a **** rat at one point in time or another take it from them illegaly. Now many of you are responsible gun owners, I know it first hand, but many are not. Is it not time to teach the ones that are not how to be? Maybe we could stem this ever increasing problem some. Thanks for letting me be heard.
02-07-2004 02:35 AM
 
 
Mangusta
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

is there any state where you can own fully automatic rifles or sub machine guns like an MP5?
02-07-2004 02:37 AM
 
 
greg
Key Veteran
Location: Yorkville, IL

chimera
Why do you care that we can own guns and some people like to collect them. I think it is out of shear jealousy and envy that people dislike Americans or things that they do. Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot a gun? It is a sport to some. Tell you what, when you plan your big trip to the US to see what the good life is like I will take you skeet shooting. I will guarantee you that you will have a blast. Have I ever killed anyone...Nope. Do I plan to kill anyone......Nope. How many guns do I own......5. And I do like that guys AR-15 in the picture. Hopefully I will have one some day. It will be fun to take to the firing range and hone my skills, just as I enjoy going to the flying field to improve my skills with the heli. It is the same thing. Both have the ability to kill. Its just alot fewer people have helis.
02-07-2004 02:45 AM
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crash1953
Veteran
Location: Washington State

I get sick when these rose colored idiots that would give anything for a gun when they need it ,but think they know better than anyone else how to run their lives .Why dont you brits that dont want guns dont get guns and leave the rest of the people alone.Afer all it wasnt to many years ago the your bobbys had to go door to door to find some to stop a couple bad guys with one ..SHUT UP!! People like you are the reason why this country is no longer a british colony.
02-07-2004 02:45 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Britain the most violent country in western Europe
By John Steele, Crime Correspondent
(Filed: 25/10/2003)

Britain has the worst record in western Europe for killings, violence and burglary and its citizens face one of the highest risks in the industrialised world of becoming victims of crime, a study has shown.

The entire article is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...requestid=50048
02-07-2004 03:19 AM
 
 
Jarold C
Senior Heliman
Location: Somewhere near Pittsburgh, PA

AS a police officer, in a large city, I must say that I wish more people here HAD guns. Those who own them lawfully, are ALWAYS on MY SIDE!(by the way Chimera, that's statistically 98.6% +-1.5% of the people possessing firearms - according the the FBI consolidated crime statistics and the BATF interim stats for 2002 (latest year published))
If you want the statistics for unlawful use per firearm, its .465% +-.1% which makes it statistically insignifigant. You've got a better chance of getting struck by lightning than shot by a firearm UNLAWFULLY! (accidents aren't in that stat)

You also forgot to look at our population compared to the UK. When you look at total firearms deaths per person, not TOTAL, you'll find the UK's rates SPIKED higher since the ban over there, and now approach ours, yet we have (theoretically)100% more weapons than the UK since the ban.

Oh, yeah! Ask your other former colonists, the Aussies, whether their gun ban did any good down-under. You could use an earful from those guys, too.

To whomever asked - Fully automatic weapons (read machine guns)are legal in MOST states if you pass a backround check, jump through some hoops (letters from politicians, police chiefs, judges), and get a $300 federal Tax stamp. You must be able to show you can properly store the weapon (read gun safe), and your home becomes subject to search without a warrant 24hrs a day by the BATF.

P.S> Bowling for Columbine IS NOT a documentary, it was a commentary, written and directed by Michael Moore, who accepted money from not one, but TWO groups whose primary funding is from the former Handgun Inc. Even Newsweek exposed the money end of it when it played for 2 weeks in theaters, then folded. DO a search on Moore, and you'll find even the anti-gun Lobby criticizing his facts. In fact the only ones commending his work were the Hollywood Kalifornians on the "left coast".

Guess what? I just saved a ton of money on my Auto(rotation) insurance!
02-07-2004 03:30 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

The truth is that the Firearms Act, 1997, which outlawed the ownership of most handguns in Britain, did nothing to discourage their illegal use. Indeed, the number of crimes in which handguns were carried increased by no less than 40 per cent in the two years after the Act became law.

The only people who suffered from the ban, introduced by the Major government in an attempt to be seen to be doing something after the Dunblane massacre, were those who owned and used their guns lawfully.


The entire article is here:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/opi...equestid=318893
02-07-2004 03:30 AM
 
 
gwallace1
Veteran
Location: Susanville, CA

Boy I better not post any pics of my brand new garage that I am so proud of. A 16' heli workbench, 4' fly tying bench and that evil 6' reloading bench I just built. I'm pretty darn proud of it, unfortunately it might offend someone. Give me a break. It's not like they are showing pics of a schoolyard shooting......

We live in a world that has been so desensitized to what is actually good and right. You can't even watch an ounce of tv without having the joys of an alternative, morally voided anti-gun, anti-christian, perverse lifestyle shoved down your throat. Most importantly shoved into the minds of some of the most prevalent watchers of TV today....your kids.
Hitler love repeating the Jesuit saying "give me a child until they are seven, and they will be".......whatever you want them to be. Boy has the leftist world succeeded in doing that. I don't like it or approve, but I have a brain and choose to turn the channel.

Greg
02-07-2004 03:33 AM
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

There are many, many references to the effect of the gun law changes in the UK that occurred in 1997. This is the third article I found in a simple web search. I could post more, but won't. Just posted these to give a flavor of what has been perceived to have happened...now let's get back to the serious topics of RC helicopters.

Dave


.....A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported online in January that England's firearms restrictions, including its 1997 ban on handguns, "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld". Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old US slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. And what is worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.

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Taken from a very long, but well written article found here:
http://search.ft.com/search/article...arch&state=Form
02-07-2004 03:43 AM
 
 
Ivan
Veteran
Location: Hutchinson Kansas

This is the reason we have the right to bear arms.

In our Declaration of independance, our forefathers said we have certain inalieable God given rights. That means things that you would have if there were no government, in essence if it was just you, your family, and the rest of the people in the sight of God. If someone from the other tribe came over to your hut and tried to rape and kill your frieds and family, you would be held blameless if you grabbed your spear and laid justice down.

Expanding this to the revolt of the American Colonies. They were forced to harbor British soldiers in their own homes, were being taxed for no reason other than the king thought it was a good idea, and there was no help being brought over from Brittan. Thus they were paying a hefty fee and not getting any service or goods for it. This led to the revolt. We won. We were no longer interested in any of the political BS that was going on, and we started our Government on Godly principals (if you don't like God, get over it, that is how this country was formed) God empowered Moses to drown millions of egyptians, Joshua to kill tens of thousands of the citizens of Jerico, Sampson to kill thousands of Philistines with the jaw of a donkey. He understands that we need to take care of our own.

Now if the British want to take our great country back (the fear of our forefathers) they will have to defeat our Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, National Reserves, and every God fearing weapon wielding Husband of a wife and father of a child . Our armed forces are just the beginning.

On the other hand, what would happen to Brittan if there was anassault on their homeland? After the British armed forces failed. (Don't count on the UN, or anyone else to help, because that doesn't seem to be the world's view now) It would be easy pickings for even a small army to overtake a disarmed nation.

I am not trying to single out Brittan, or to pick on them. I hope you can get the point I am trying to make.

This also keeps our Government halfway sane. If we were to have a president that decided to change to a communist government, they would have to disarm the nation first. As long as our citizens can arm themselves we are mostly free of the threat of a tyrannical government. It is a true shame that the liberal media and the rest of the world cannot see the purpose of our Constitution. If more people here and abroad had one iota of common sense there would not be any bickering over guns, free speach, separation of church and state, the legality of abortion, socialized healthcare, or the true heart of our forefathes.

God has already blessed America, my friends, and we are turning our backs on him.

I came, I saw, I hovered
02-07-2004 03:59 AM
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trickle
Heliman
Location: On Road

"The United Kingdom enacted strict gun control laws and has achieved a rise in gun crime, a decline in safety and a position where access to firearms among delinquent children seems commonplace."

Another story from
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art...7/5/62251.shtml

Meanwhile the liberals who said conceal carry would start gun fights in the streets are eating their words as each state is passing conceal carry due to the reduction in crime seen in states that did pass them.
02-07-2004 04:01 AM
 
 
Mark Ryder
Elite Veteran
Location: Encino, CA

An Armed Society is a Polite Society

02-07-2004 04:05 AM
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augiep38
Heliman
Location: Charles Town, WV

Chimera - You are a douche! How can an inanimate object scare you. I guess guns now posess the capability of intent and can make a willful decision on their own to kill someone. You say why do you need a gun. Using the same logic, why don't we need guns.

Mangusta - yes we can own full auto weapons with the proper tax stamp.

To the guy who said our foreing policy was in the pan - I couldn't care less about foreign policy. I am more concerned with keeping uncle sam out of my wallet so that the liberals can further their social engineering programs.

If you can't tell - I despise liberals

Todd
02-07-2004 04:11 AM
 
 
Newdaddy
Heliman
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada

Ok, I support private gun ownership, I used to own an AR-15, only it was nicer and had a multicolour spackle paint job. Friends and co-workers still think I'm packing.

But don't think for a moment that your possessing a dinky little M16 wannabe is going to somehow ensure your own government behaves.

Face it, the FBI has the carnivor computer to scan your email, the NSA has ACRES of supercomputers to scan your phone calls, you can't get into work without a badge, your balls are going to get fried in the airport scanner and you can't buy milk without video surveillance.

YOU, my friend, are subject to more scrutiny than any criminal or terrorist ever will be.

And if some Maniac president does decide to take over,after diverting your attention by showing a hooter during the superbowl, your dinky little pop gun will get laughed at, because he will have stealth fighters and bombers, jet powered tanks, smart bombs and cruise missiles at his disposal.

So stop this candy-ass debate about the little toy solider gun, and pass out the nuclear backpacks, if you're truly interested in guaranteeing your freedom.

(Sorry, been up all night with the baby)
02-07-2004 04:57 AM
 
 
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