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e-Mikado Logo 400 500 600 > ESC features
 
 
Paul Beard
Senior Heliman
Location: San Jose CA

We are designing an ESC for the Logo10 and Eolo helis. Are there any features missing from the current ESCs?

Features in particular to helis such as soft start, auto-rotation aborts, constant rpm, setup ease...

Paul
02-06-2004 Over year old.
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Paul,
Welcome to the battle of ESCs.

Here are few ideas for you to consider...
1. Ability to log current, voltage, throttle percentage (actual ESC internal throttle, not the input), and RPM. Data can then be retrieved from ESC by connecting to a computer, perhaps by USB.

2. Smart soft-start/auto-rotation abort logic. Perhaps a difference between "throttle off" and "zero throttle". "Throttle off" would be less than a certain pulse width. "Zero throttle" would be a dead band between the throttle off pulse width and a the smallest throttle percentage pulse width. The controller only goes through the soft start routine if the "throttle off" mode was entered. If only "zero throttle" was commanded, then no (or a very abreviated) soft start would occur.

3. Constant rpm. Of course! What's a brushless ESC with out a governor mode. On this note, here is an idea for you... Many folks have found that standard throttle mode and using throttle curves is more efficient with lower ESC and motor temps and longer flights. Some way to combine governor mode with standard throttle could be interesting. For example, the ESC responds as if in standard throttle mode except that at the beginning of the battery pack 90% commanded throttle might only be 80% internal ESC throttle. As the pack voltage decreases, the internal ESC throttle associated with a given input throttle level increases. I guess you could say that it would be a very slow response governor mode plus standard throttle mode.

4. A safe startup routine. Something that makes it very obvious that the user really did want to start the motor. This also includes making sure the ESC will never start the motor if a flight pack is plugged in before the receiver is powered amd a valid signal is being received.

5. "High Voltage" operation. It should be able to handle at least a 10S LiPo setup.

6. Built in switching BEC.

- John
02-06-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

If you can make a controller than can handle high voltages (possibly up to a 15s LiPoly), high currents (over 60 amps), and can reliably start and efficently run all types of brushless motors (from Hacker to Actro). Then you will have a winner. From there put in your governor mode, and soft start and your basically set.

Oh and if at all possible please try to use Kontronik style programming. They have one of the easiest programming interfaces I have used.
02-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
estevens
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

I think a lot of the above is great. The controller needs maximum flexiblity, i.e. can change timing and frequency over a large range. A good thermal protection routine, not a complete shutdown as some controllers do or worse yet the infamous "pop" which requires return for service. The soft start vs auto-rotation start is something that is completely absent from current controllers. I watched a freind's hornet go in because he had a glitch which caused the controller to reset and initiated a soft start, by the time the rotor spooled up with the motor he had reached terra firma.
All the controllers have their pro's and cons. Your best bet is to go fly with as many electric pilots as you can find and listen to them.

Eric in Phoenix
02-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rchaas
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, OK

all of the above

also, a lo volts cutoff that will work for hivoltage lipo setups. The lo volt cutoff in my esc is way too low for the battery setup i am using, so i have to time my flights carefully to ensure that i don't overdischarge the lipos. And of course, a cutoff that could send you some kind of warning, perhaps a drop in rpm, well before cutting off completely.

Robbie
02-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
funheli
Heliman
Location: Northern Calif

How about having the firmware on E2PROM. If there is a data interface, e.g. USB, than how about updating the s/w as new frimware (e.g. new programs) are released. That way...we don't have to send any units back or even overseas in that matter to get new s/w updates.
Of course, if it's an hardware issues, that'll change things.
02-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Setup option from a laptop would be good, fine tweaking parameters to personal taste...

I find more and more I am needling my laptop at the field, may as well make more use of it



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02-12-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Reesy
Key Veteran
Location: In the doghouse ... Nottingham UK

I suspect high voltages AND high currents are going to be a problem.

Shoot for something that will take 13-15+S lipos and you'll be onto a winner

Ting Tong
.... ...... ...from Tooting
02-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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