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Main Discussion > Which is better?

ry_goody
Heliman
Location: Tigard, OR

What do you think would perform better, the Kyosho SR-E or Ikarus ECO 8? I would be using probably cheapest stuff on it, like brushed motor and cheapest, non digital radio, nothing fancy at all as this is my first helicopter and I don't want to be crashing fancy stuff. Also, is it possible to use a 4 channel radio on the SRE? Or do you have to use 6 channels?

11-13-2001 Over year old.

howardm4
Heliman
Location: Massachusetts

You should look into the Mikado Logo series of Emachines.

11-13-2001 Over year old.

ry_goody
Heliman
Location: Tigard, OR

I can't seem to find anywhere to buy any of those. Do you know of any retailers? How much would it be? There not mini helis are they? Are they fixed pitch? How many channels does the radio need to fly one?

11-13-2001 Over year old.

TotlKaos
Senior Heliman
Location: Vineland, NJ

Logo's

You can try www.cyberheli.com as they sell the logo line.
The logos are collective pitch and fully aerobatic..
All of these helicopters will need at least a 6 channel radio
minumum...
Hope this helps!

Russ

11-13-2001 Over year old.

ry_goody
Heliman
Location: Tigard, OR

Alright, thanks, but about the logo 10 (which would prolly be what I would buy if I did get that brand), it says no price at cyber heli

, do you know how much it would be?

Also, why do helicopters need 6 channels? The eco 8 says it runs fine off of 4 channels pitch, forward\bakc, aileron and yaw... what more controls does a helicopter need????

And whats this CCPM it says it has? Does that require a special controller or something?

11-13-2001 Over year old.

Dustin
Heliman
Location: Beaverton, Oregon

From what I've heard you do need a special radio to use the CCPM. A computer radio is what you need. They are extremely expensive though.

11-14-2001 Over year old.

Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

You can get the logo at www.RC-Direct.com.

Avant Aurora Ultimate

11-14-2001 Over year old.

freestyle
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA USA

I highly recommend a computer radio.

Computer radios aren't "special" in fact they are the norm these days. Non-computer radios will limit your ability to fly once you get into the forward flight stage, so almost nobody uses them. The few people who do use them, end up scrapping them after the first year or so (which is why so few people actually use them - you're only a beginner for a year or so, after that you pretty much need a computer radio).

They're also not "extremely expensive." The most recent issue of MHT contains a review of the Airtronics RD6000, which Heliproz.com is selling with receiver and servos for about $300. You can step up to a Futaba 8UHF for about $420 (again with recevier and servos).

"Extremely expensive" would be the Futaba 9Z or JR 10X, which are around $1300 with receiver and servos. Some computer radios are extremely expensive, but not all.

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11-14-2001 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

Radio

I agree on the radio discussion. I started off with a JR 652. And after about 4 months was ready to move on. I now am beating up the skies with an 8103 and I can definatly tell you that the difference is night and day. Although I will say that you can get into a 5 point pitch and throttle curve radio for cheaper than an 8103. I will say though that you should get all of the radio that you can afford. The RD6000 looks like a good choice for the money.

11-14-2001 Over year old.

Dustin
Heliman
Location: Beaverton, Oregon

Computer Radios

Well Freestlye, I never made anything up. I also did state "facts." Computer radios are more expensive than regular radios. I was looking through and found most were 400 on up to 1400. And I'm not "repeating something I heard" I saw it first hand. Anyhow, that is all I wanted to say.

11-14-2001 Over year old.

freestyle
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA USA

I agree that $1300 is 'extremely expensive,' but most computer radios are less than half that amount, and the RD6000 computer radio is less than one QUARTER of that amount (and only slightly more than Futaba's non-computer heli radio). A really good radio, that you won't outgrow, costs a third that much. It is not true that "computer radios are extremely expensive." A couple of them are, but the majority of them are not. Let's not scare the guy off, thinking that he can't fly the heli he's chosen without an "extremely expensive" radio.

These days, almost every heli radio on the market is computerized. How many different NON-computer helicopter radios are even in production anymore? There's the Futaba 6VH, what else? That might be the only one on the market... But computer radios, there's a bunch of those... Futaba 6X, 8U, 9C, 9Z, JR 652, 8103, 10X, Hitec 7X, Airtronics RD6000.... Wouldn't that make the non-computer heli radio the special one?

I know. I'm being a jerk. I'll stop now.

11-14-2001 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Real Cost

If you are having trouble coming up with the cash for a pretty good computer radio to run CCPM, this probably not a sport you need to be in right now as incidents and accidents do occur and repairs, while not like starting over, are not cheap.
If this is something you really want to do, bite the bullet, and get the best radio you can afford. Personally, I have flown all the major brand electrics and they do fly very well BUT they tend to be fragile to be light enough to perform, and the field equipment, like good peak detection chargers and extra batteries are not inexpensive either.
The real cost is not the initial investment but the cost of maintaining over a period of time. A glow Raptor or similar is much easier and most times more cost effective in the long run as you can usually resell them and recoup at least part of your investment.

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11-14-2001 Over year old.

ry_goody
Heliman
Location: Tigard, OR

Ah... you guys are all making me have second thoughts. I don't have an income, I just have some saved money that I was gonna take and buy a nice little helicopter with. But now that your saying I need more because of repairs and all, I dont think I could afford it

11-14-2001 Over year old.

Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

No Income????

I will say that without an income this hobby can get frustratring fast. As I can say that my last bout with mother earth cast me over $150.00 in repairs. Not that you crash all the time. But if you do and its a good one. It can be costly and even more costly if your heli is to be considered "fragile" as some have said. Electrics typicly are. And you are a little more prone to doink one in the learning stages. Been there done that! Not trying to scare you, just let you know what you are really wanting to get into.

11-14-2001 Over year old.

Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

I agree,

The one thing you need to learn for flying helis is your visa credit card number. So think about it before you get into it.

Avant Aurora Ultimate

11-14-2001 Over year old.

Jet_Waynger
Senior Heliman
Location: Henderson, NV

Real Flight G2

If you want to get a good taste for the hobby and not worry about repairs!
Log in as much time as you can and you'll be ready for your first heli.

Jet_Waynger

03-14-2002 Over year old.

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