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gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

I just got a Triton charger & have been cycling (3x) my Nimh Rx & Tx batteries on Auto. These are some of my results are they normal??: Ma seems a little low;
1800Ma Bat #1 : Chg Ma 1317 Dischg 1508
1800Ma Bat #2 : Chg Ma 1393 Dischg 1401
1800Ma Bat #3 : Chg Ma 1800 Dischg 1474
1500Ma Bat #4 : Chg Ma 1016 Dischg 1151
Why would # 3 chg @ 1800 & the rest not?? All are new packs. Does the Dischg Ma indicate what is avail from the pack ? Why can't I get the 1800Ma that they are rated for?? Is it that I only discharged to 1.1V per cell?? Thanks
01-26-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

How about a hint??
01-28-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

1. Don't use Auto with small cells - especially with NiMH. I believe the manual already states this but I'm too lazy to look.

2. Manufacturers usually discharge to 0.9V/cell when providing capacity figures.

Rob
01-28-2004 Over year old.
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gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Auto & "AA" Cells

The manual states:"not to use auto mode for SMALLER than "AA" Using Auto Mode for Nimh capacities from 1000 to 3000 is acceptable." Does anyone have problems using Auto with "AA" cells ???
01-29-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

I do. I don't recomment Auto on AAs. Most small cells charge more reliably and safely with Easy or Reflex modes with proper preset currents..

Rob
01-29-2004 Over year old.
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cwd10
Veteran
Location: PA, - U.S.A.

They need balancing, but they won't during fast charge. Remember, heat is a battery's enemy. The slower you charge and discharge, the cooler the batteries are, and the better it will take the process, and this translates into more overall capacity. Use the lower settings, and keep an eye on it.
01-30-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

cwd10 I have charged & discharged @ 200mA &battery temp has not gone over 75 degrees???
01-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cwd10
Veteran
Location: PA, - U.S.A.

Not sure if you have some bad batts, or just need extensive balancing. Keep trying to balance out using lowest amperage that is practical. If they keep taking more of a charge during each cycle, you're on the right track. I would try to pull them down lower than 1.1 per cell. Try closer to .7 or .8 per cell. I have gone as low as .5 per cell, but you really have to watch it then. Be patient, this may take some time.
01-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Thanks CWD10 I'll do that & get back to you with the results however long it takes. I'd really like to get good battery packs that I can rely on in my gasser, & Raptor. Does anyone else have any suggestions as to what I can do?
01-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Simple Question ???

Well I'm charging one of the 1800 Nimh packs @ 100Ma & it timed out at the max setting 990 minutes it took 1521Ma. Then I restarted with the same charge 100Ma & now it reads 700 so do I add 1521 + 700 for the total of 2221Ma for this 1800 battery pack???? Seems weird to me ! Temp is 71 degrees F . Can I damage the battery doing this?
02-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cwd10
Veteran
Location: PA, - U.S.A.

Well yes you did everything right. The one thing you have to remember is that betteries have a reflex to charging/discharging. I'll explain. Say you just discharged a battery to what you think is fully discharged. If you measure the voltage when you remove the pack you may see 7 volts (just an example). If you wait a few minutes, and measure again you will see something like 7.18 volts. Wait a few minutes more and it will be about 7.23 volts. This is commonly referred to as bounce back, or reflex action. The same thing happens when charging, only in reverse. You just charged a 12 volt pack to 13.1 volts. after the charge is done, you let it sit a few minutes and it comes down to 12.8 volts. Get the picture? the same theory works for measured Milliamp hours. When you charged to 1251mah. and the charger stopped. The pack likely drifted down to maybe 1200mah. or so. When you charged again to 700ma, you had a total of about 1900. When you let the pack sit, it probably drifted down to about 1800 or so. There will be some discrepancy in the charger's accuracy, but it should be pretty close. The method you used is perfectly fine. Many times I have gotten more Mah's into a battery than it was rated for. If the battery can take this much charge without heating up, it just means it's very healthy. You didn't hurt your battery, you helped it last longer. Welcome to the magical world of battery physics.
02-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Thanks cwd10. A funny thing happened... I'm charging @ 100 Ma to one of the packs & it reaches 1800Ma like it's suppose to but on the discharge cycle it only pulled 14Ma after 7 minutes!! These batteries are killing me!! I believe it caused my gasser to crash when power dropped suddenly after a full charge last week. What is going on??? Anybody know? This is a new pack with about 6 chg/dischg cycles on it.
02-07-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cwd10
Veteran
Location: PA, - U.S.A.

Well I'm stumped. Sounds kinda like an intermittent short to me, but probably at least one bad cell. At this point I don't think you have anything to loose by either sending to a battery expert for evaluation/repair, or you can do it yourself. You'll have to take the shrink wrap off, desolder all of the cells and check to see if any got hotter than others (melted). Were all solder joints good? Also check capacity of each cell with a voltmeter, or use the charger to cycle the cells individually if your charger can do that low a voltage. You may find one or two bad cells. In that case, all you have to do is buy a couple new cells. http://www.batteriesamerica.com/ is a good source for the batteries and all the pieces you would need to put the pack back together. Anybody else?
02-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

One bad cell is a good possiblity. During discharge, measure the voltage on each cell. A low voltage on one cell will solve the mystery.

Rob
02-08-2004 Over year old.
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