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debogus
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont,peoples republic of mexifornia

Thats a easy one

All of the ones that the republicans thought up ,but he took credit for.
LOL
Just like EGORE and the internet
Just rember the dnc battle cry :Baa Baa
Dave
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Phoenix1
Heliman
Location: Bonita Springs, FL

What gets me about sending jobs overseas is this:

Lets say that company "A" produces cell phones from american made components and they are assembled in the US by union labor working at $30 per hour. (or non union labor working at $25 per hour for that matter)

And then company "B" produces cell phones made in china from components made throughout various parts of the world (china, malaysia, etc.) They are paying their employees $1 per hour.

You go to the cell phone store and they have foreign made cell phones for $30 and American made cell phones for $550. Which one would you buy? Which one do you think everyone else would buy?

Americans (and the rest of the world I would presume) want the cheapest prices on consumeables. That is why Wal Mart is the largest retailer in the world and employes 1.3 MILLION people.

America's real future is as the financial/business giant of the world. Not in the manufacturing industries. I think this makes sense. Many of the products we use are designed here and sent overseas for manufacturing. Most of the worlds computer software comes from the US. Next thing to leave our country is farming. We not get much of our produce from Mexico and South America, but out meats will also be produced there in the future. I guarentee it. They can do it cheaper and americans want cheap. Just a few years ago I can remember ground beef being $1 per pound and now its hard to find under $2 a pound.

I guarentee that our standard of living would be much lower if every product in the US was American Made. Even the American cars are assembled from foreign components. Car prices would be astronomical if each component was made in the US OR we would all be driving small cars with no frills and paying what we now pay for our SUVs.

Anyone want to disagree with me?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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armageddon
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Location: N. Y.



Brothers maybe....

Got this from a spam mail....

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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
greenmeanie
Senior Heliman
Location: connecticut

maybe we are driving factories away?

think about it. we in the USA demand an average pay rate of $15-$25 an HR.
how can a factory that is paying us that keep there product price down (because we demand inexpensive products or we will buy from abroad) they could never make a profit. so the factories knowing over seas they can get cheap labor go over there and sell there product at a better rate, then we end up buying the product anyways. so dont blame G.W. for that.. we are the ones that think we need maximum payrates. hell i know i do! they just shut down another factory near me 'ROGERS' another 250 jobs down the toilet within the next year.
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Phoenix1
Heliman
Location: Bonita Springs, FL

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out of this thread..... BYE BYE


What happened?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

RickC

You made some great points about the skills required for a crane operator to set bridge girders etc. I also realize and appreciate the skills of a good excavator. As a construction inspector I am often right next to the excavator hopin there is no gas line we didn't know about. Great job. The point on flaggers is kinda weak, yes they need certification, so does a dog groomer. They shouldn't make more than an engineer or no one is gonna want to be an engineer and we are gonna our buts whipped as an uneducated society. I am not putting down construction workers. Your job is safe. it is not going to China. I am also not saying engineers rule the planet or any crap like that. I am illistrating my point with an example.

You miss my point because you are so defensive. WHY GO TO COLLEGE IF YOU CAN MAKE MORE RUNNING A DOZER?

I am still paying of student loans seven years out of school and I see flaggers and dozer operators making more cash. I can't look my kids in the eye and tell them a scientific or engineering college degree pays off.

Please answer Jerrys question about what the Dems did during Clinton to make such a great economy (I was gonna ask that )

Oh and you Corporation bashers out there: Blame the Wright brothers and freedom. If I invent a widget as a free American I have the right to seek cheap labor. Alot of third world guys would love to come out of the coal mines and sit in an air conditioned factory with clean air to build my widget. Thay are happy, I am happy my cusotmers are happy, the airtraffic controllers are happy, the runway construction folks are happy, the cargo folks are happy, the UPS guy is happy, my website builder is happy, Wal Mart stock holders are happy, Wal Mart builders are happy, road designers are happy on and on. The only one not happy is the assembly line worker who dropped out of high school. Yes, somtines the labor is exploited and it that has to stop, especially child labor.

Corp bashers instead of whine, propose fixes that will actually better America. In the meanwhile, buy some stocks and get in on the action.

I gotta shower go to work. No cut and run like Armageddon. I'LL BE BACK.




PullPitch
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01-23-2004 Over year old.
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PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

PS

I love my $59 dollar VCR and Cell phone. Woulda cost $200 union made.

PullPitch
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01-23-2004 Over year old.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

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WHY GO TO COLLEGE IF YOU CAN MAKE MORE RUNNING A DOZER?


It's a skilled trade, not everyone has it in them to pick up the needed ability. Were somewhere between an artist and a surging. We need to have the ability to visualize in our head what the finish product will look like by reading the plans or by the paddles and grade stakes the engineer laid out. Then we cut away the bad and leave the good. A lot of times with finish dozers we need to be right on the money or within a few hundredths of an foot. Were one of many trades that make the contractors money, he only has so many working days on a bid job. He needs someone in the seat that can do the job efficiently and correct the first time or he will have penalties to pay if he goes over the completion date.

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I love my $59 dollar VCR and Cell phone. Woulda cost $200 union made.


This is something we are all bad about including myself; we look at the price and not the label where it should say "Made in the USA". That way the money for the product goes into our economy and not a overseas economy. I look at labels but still finding myself buying outside the country at times. My list of heli's purchased, a Ergo 30SS, a Vigor CS, Voyager 50 IMZ, Logo 10, Raptor 50, Piccolo, Hornet. No miniature aircraft in the bunch. I do own two American made vehicles.

Rick
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

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Please answer Jerrys question about what the Dems did during Clinton to make such a great economy (I was gonna ask that )


If you pay attention to the "Liberal Media," you may get the impression that all President Clinton has done while he has been in office is make a few shady land deals in Arkansas, fire some travel office officials, and cheat on his wife. But, contrary to what many CONservatives believe, President Clinton has done many good things for this country. Let us start with a look at some things that President Clinton has fought for to help restore faith in our government. On May 20, 1993, President Clinton signed the National Voter Registration Act (the motor-voter bill) which would make it easier for people to register to vote. In 1995, he signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act, which was the first major overhaul of lobbying regulations in half a century. Also, Clinton fought for the passage of a line-item veto. This would seem to be an easy fight considering the line-item veto was part of the Republican CONtract on America.

Now, let us take a look at what college dropout Trash Limbaugh has referred to as "the worst foreign policy in decades." President Clinton restored democratically elected Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide to power. Not only did this help promote democracy in Haiti, but it also helped lessen the number of Haitian refugees coming into the United States. He also helped to promote peace in the Middle East by helping Israel and Jordan achieve a historic peace agreement. Clinton persuaded Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazahkstan to give up nuclear weapons that were left behind when the Soviet Union collapsed. He also led the international effort to ensure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, thus helping to stop the spread of nuclear weapons around the world. Also, for the first time in decades, there are no longer any Russian nuclear weapons pointed at United States cities. President Clinton has also maintained strong sanctions against Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Sudan for their continued support of state sponsored terrorism. Most recently, President Clinton, along with the United Nations and NATO allies, undertook diplomatic and military action to help stop the suffering in Bosnia. He also helped lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace treaty in war torn Bosnia. I guess, by CONservative logic, this is all bad foreign policy.

President Clinton had also done a great deal to help open up foreign markets to United States products. On December 8, 1993, he signed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and exactly one year later he signed the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) which is the largest trade agreement in history. President Clinton also reached a landmark agreement with Japan which will open its automobile market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts. He has also developed a national export strategy aimed at eliminating export controls on billions of dollars of United States exports.

President Clinton has a fairly decent record on the domestic front as well. During the first thirty-four months of his administration, over 7.5 million new jobs were created. Since he took office, the unemployment rate had fallen from 7 percent to less than 6 percent. Also, during Clinton's administration, our country had experienced the lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968. For the first time since Harry Truman's presidency, our country is on track for three straight years of deficit reduction. And in 1994 the country experienced the highest rate of real gross domestic product growth in a decade.

Our government had also become much more efficient when President Clinton took office. Clinton has reduced the federal work force by over 200,000 workers. This puts the country on its way to having the smallest federal work force in over a quarter century. President Clinton has also had over 16,000 pages of obsolete government regulations abolished and is in the process of having over 31,000 pages revised and rewritten; and he has proposed cutting federal spending by over $250 billion over five years.

Finally, allow me to digress for a moment. Whenever someone has the audacity to criticize Lord Reagan's administration, CONservatives always blame the problems on the Democratic Congress. But any, in any "progress" that was made in the eighties is immediately attributed to Reagan. So, if I were to use "CONservative logic," anything bad that Clinton did over the past years can be blamed on the Republican Congress and Clinton deserves credit for anything good that happened. "CONservative logic" just makes this job way too easy!
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Dozer

So they should make more than the enigneer?????

Weak weak weak.

More on your post later.

They conservatives on this thread have brought up so many unanswered points. The Libs post pictures of ALF. I would expect better debat skills on a grade school playground. Aramgeddon, I would love to debate you too but you must prove yourself a worthy opponent.

Gotta work. Libs, please read my posts and try to debate each point with intelligent thoughts. I'll be waiting, don't be afraid to ask someone for help

Pushing back the frontiers of ignorance

PullPitch
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01-23-2004 Over year old.
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PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Rick

Your second post just came through,

Looks like a good one!

Responce tonight.

Thanks.

PullPitch
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01-23-2004 Over year old.
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shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

I had to get into this. I support the man that PRAYS in office, and is not ashamed to admit it. Not the one that got my 8 year old to ask what kind of "sex" the president was having. I have to support the man that is down on his needs seeking guidance, instead of one that has some whitehouse aid on her knees seeking fame and fortune......or whatever.

Phil
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

If the middle class people and low income people lose their jobs,
who will be shopping at WalMart?
These are the jobs the government has to save a.s.a.p. or there will
be no business for marketing anything that comes from overseas!
It is happening fast, look around you!
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

PullPitch
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No cut and run like Armageddon. I'LL BE BACK.


... Not running... just closed the door....

I'm back now..

rickc
good facts..

bottom line: Bill C. was and is ten times more qualified for the job that GW.
BTW did GW finally remember the names of the world leaders..

A 'C' student with that much power..... .

GW: "after all, this guy tried to kill my dad"
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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
jerrythercpilot
Veteran
Location: --South Florida --

armageddon

Give me a break. If your constituents can't vote properly, then maybe they shouldn't be voting in the first place.

I live in Palm Beach County(PBC), you know that famous county from the 2000 elections. What I love most were the crazy accusations (from Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other racists) that white police officers were preventing black people,with roadblocks, from getting to their polling places in western PBC. Let me tell you something about PBC, you have to travel north to get into The South. This isn't Alabama!!! Its a piece of NY that floated south. And, in today's day and age of video and digital cameras, where is all the photographic evidence. I never saw any, did you??? That because it never existed, and just a fabrication of a racist liberal hate-monger.

Light travels faster than sound, thats why some people appear so bright UNTIL you hear them speak.
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Armageddon

You are the one that said you were out of this thread.

I guess your words mean nothing. You must be part of the UN

I'm at work, much more come. I'll take a C stundent over purgery every day.

PullPitch
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01-23-2004 Over year old.
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daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

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But beware, I am the Liberal Slayer when it comes to debates. BRING IT ON


I was going to say something but I'll let PULLPITCH do it.... go get 'em dude!


Clinton was too busy bangin' easy women to do anything productive. The economy was good because they let the flood gates open on illegal aliens (12 million new people gotta spend thier money SOMEWHERE). Now we depend on these people and I don't blame them for coming here (I even like 'em).
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daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

some may say I'm full of it, but ten years ago there wasn't 1/5th the immigrants in our area that there is now.
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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Phoenix1
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Location: Bonita Springs, FL

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President Clinton had also done a great deal to help open up foreign markets to United States products. On December 8, 1993, he signed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA),


Since NAFTA the Florida tomato industry has lost about one-third of its value from a $600-$700 million industry a year to between $400-$500 million currently.

During the first 7 years of NAFTA non-corporate Florida Orange Farm operations fell 74.4% between 1993 and 1999 from $51.4 million to $13.4 million.

US Farmers are lovin' NAFTA, all the way to the unemployment line.

NAFTA also sent thousand of manufacturing jobs south of the border. I though that you were against this?

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President Clinton also reached a landmark agreement with Japan which will open its automobile market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts.


Do you really think that the Japs are going to buy auto parts from the US when its cheaper to make them in Japan (Not to mention how cheap to make them in Korea or another country?

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Since he took office, the unemployment rate had fallen from 7 percent to less than 6 percent.


Unemployment in the US for December of 2003 was 5.7% and continues to decrease!!! Where are all the unemployed people that the Democrats are talking about?

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And in 1994 the country experienced the highest rate of real gross domestic product growth in a decade.


And what was that rate in 1994 one might ask? 4.0364%

Want to know that the average real gross domestic product growth was for the first 3 quarters of 2003??? anyone anyone??? 4.3057% BEATING Clinton's 1994 rate.


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Our government had also become much more efficient when President Clinton took office. Clinton has reduced the federal work force by over 200,000 workers. This puts the country on its way to having the smallest federal work force in over a quarter century.


Of the 157,000 jobs that he cut from 1993 to 1996, 131,000 of them were civilian defense jobs. Now, I guess that is a cut, but is that really where we should have been cutting jobs? I don't think so.


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he has proposed cutting federal spending by over $250 billion over five years.


Republicans were pushing for a $800 billion cut in spending.

Did I miss anything?

Here are some excerpts from an interesting article about liberal lies:

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This is a tax break for the rich-This is class warfare at it's finest. If a person earning $40,000 a year gets a 10% tax reduction and a person earning $1,000,000 per year gets a 1% tax reduction- the person earning $1,000,000 will get a much greater tax break. Tom Daschle and Richard Gebhardt once stood next to a car in front of the Capital Building holding up a muffler. They made a statement that a proposed George Bush tax cut would allow the rich to buy a new car and the average American to buy a muffler. This is a strategy Democrats use on every Republican proposed tax cut. They stop everyone from getting a reduction in their taxes by using class warfare. Please note, tax reductions are not an entitlement program.

Trickle down economics does not work- Money in the hands of people stimulates the economy, whether they are rich or poor. The problem- how to you put money in the hands of the poor? Transfer of more wealth from the rich to the poor each year? This would only create greater dependency on entitlements and give lessen the incentive to achieve. Give the poor greater tax cuts? You can only cut the taxes for the poor by so much, because they don't pay much in taxes. When Tom Daschle said that the result of a proposed Bush tax cut would mean that a rich person would be able to buy a new car, without realizing it, he proved the theory of Trickle Down Economics. The person selling that car would generate income that he would otherwise not have had. Please note that if that person sells enough cars, he will gain wealth. If tax rates in this county were at 75% what would happen to the economy? The answer is that no one would have money to spend on anything except housing and food. The result would be that businesses everywhere would fail, because no one would have money to buy clothes, electronics, entertainment, repairs for their homes or cars, go on vacation..... If they did buy such things, they would have to go in to debt to do so. How would this help the working class or the poor? Please note the average taxpayer, pays roughly 50% of their income in taxes. After the attack on September 11th, Hillary Clinton said, "come to New York and spend money." She knew if people stopped coming to New York and spending money, businesses would fail and the economy in New York would suffer a great downturn, which would hurt the average working family. This is interesting considering that liberals are for tax hikes and against tax cuts. The only thing that helps the working class is a strong economy. It gives the average worker more freedom and more bargaining power. When the financial sector was booming from 1987 through 1989, workers were getting bonuses, overtime and stock options. When the financial sector suffered a downturn in 1990, it trickled down. There were no more bonuses, overtime, stock options and their were layoffs.

This is a Bush recession- Liberals blame George Bush for the weak economy and say his tax cut has only made the economy worse. They point to jobs lost, the level of unemployment, the level of the financial markets and slow growth since he took office. The economy was beginning to turn around leading up to September 11, 2001. After the attack on September 11, everything changed. People did stop flying, hurting the airline industry, which in turn hurt hotels, restaurants, theme parks and tourism. There were some businesses that closed for an entire week and some in New York that never reopened. The financial markets were closed for more than a week and the financial services industry was devastated. September 11th hurt all sectors of the economy, which resulted in tens of thousands of layoffs. So how is George Bush is responsible for the poor economy? Liberals would have you forget that the attack on September 11th took place and we must never forget. George Bush is trying to revive the economy by lowering taxes. The irony here, the liberals who accuse him of hurting the economy oppose his tax cuts.

Democrats are for working class families- As Democrats are opposed to every tax reduction this statement is almost ludicrous. The largest obstacle to gaining wealth is taxes. The single biggest issue affecting middle class families on a daily basis is taxes. The middle class taxpayer pays close to 50% of their income in taxes. Please consider the following: federal income tax, state income tax, state sales tax, property tax, gas tax, tolls, taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, utility taxes, automobile registration fees, county surtaxes. Democrats are not for the middle class and break down their support into groups. They get funds and count on votes from women by being pro-choice, minorities for supporting affirmative action, gays for supporting gay rights, unions for not supporting school vouchers, and environmentalists supporting things such as not drilling for oil in Alaska. On the those who don't pay close attention to the issues they use spin- reference the top ten liberal lies!

Bill Clinton created millions of jobs- What policy did Bill Clinton implement to create millions of jobs? The majority of jobs that were created under the Clinton Administration were Internet related. The great boom of the Internet led to the creation of millions of jobs, which Clinton had nothing to do with. As a result of so many people working and paying taxes, there were large government surpluses. However, instead of attacking terrorism, Bill Clinton decided to use the Justice Department to attack Microsoft. There is a direct time line link between the decline of the NASDAQ and the ruling to break up Microsoft. As the NASDAQ declined many Internet companies failed or downsized. As a result, millions of jobs were lost and government revenues declined. Bill Clinton was handed a great economy and with his actions only served to undermine it.

We don't need to drill for oil in Alaska, because we could save the same amount of oil by increasing the standards for miles per gallon on cars and SUV's- What liberals are really saying is that they care more about contributions from environmentalists than they do about your family. What they are saying is they care more about the caribou than your children. When you lower the standards of miles per gallon, in effect you lower the safety of cars. Please note, America is about freedom of choice. If someone wants to drive an SUV, so be it. I guess liberals would have us all driving around in a Yugo if they had their choice. It wasn't that long ago when liberals were trying to reduce the speed limits on highways, because they said it would save lives. Do you see a contradiction here? Also please note, no one knows how much oil is in Alaska. I know liberals will charge that Republicans are for drilling in Alaska, because oil companies are a big contributor to their party. I am not even going to go into the National Security implication and benefits of being energy dependent from the Middle East. Lastly, and most importantly, we need to develop affordable alternative sources of energy such as hydrogen fuel cells.


Something to think about
01-23-2004 Over year old.
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armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

jerrythercpilot
I don't know what happend in Florida.. I wasn't there... You are there but how many places can you be at once... You don't even know what goes on two houses down unless you are there, in which case you wouldn't know what happends two houses up...

Tell you one thing.. It can be pretty easy to trick some of the elderly, especially when they are accustomed to doing things a particular way...

well next election is upon us.. and everyone will be watching.. I hope this was the 'big score' because it will be harder to pull it off again..

PullPitch
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You are the one that said you were out of this thread.
I guess your words mean nothing.


I was out, now I'm back... What is your point?
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