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freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

RAY-DOG

Don't worry about it itll get here eventually can't fly it till march or april but when the time comes i can fly all day long cause the sun doesn't go down for a month. Im happy about that 24 hours of day light deal don't need to quit flyin cause of darkness!!!!!!!!
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Dont attack my spelling

If you cant spell Reagan.

I design roads too. And I get mad when the chick turning the stop sign makes more cash, sometimes $45/hr up here. Unions are too strong?

Every worker is in competion woth the entire world now, face it.

Yes I am in Alaska, but with over a half million people and a "jobless recovery", you would think I could find some CAD guys. But they go IBEW. Maybe I shoud have.

How typical, you attack my spelling and Rush's drug addiction. Have you noticed most of your co engineers are conservative, they are up here.

I leave the spelling to spell checkers and liberal arts graduates. They would fix phrases like "as strong as they once was" Nice one (you started it).

I wasn't speaking of hudraulics, rather hydrology - for sizing culverts and storm drains.

Have a nice day, BTW we are looking for engineers of all political affiliations, and we have offices in Alaska, Washington and Idaho. We are employee owned, which means we share profits "evil capitalism at work" www.USKH.com.

Hope to continue the debate, maybe someday in person at the office.







PullPitch
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01-22-2004 Over year old.
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freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

Hey PULLPITCH

Hows life in the valley?
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Life in the Valley

Lovin' it.

Wish I could spend more time in the bush though.

A Raptor in Kotzebue, too frikin cool. I hope to be a bush pilot someday so I can visit places like your home, that is the real Alaska - off of the road system.

Will this be your first heli? I'm pretty new but have flown planks since the eighties. Harder to learn helis when you can't find help.

Do any ice fishing? I love it but don't get the chance much lately. I caught my first pike two years ago. Actually I got 16 of 'em and they were all identical - 28". Must have been the surviving size at Flathorn Lake. Anything smaller is "food".

Good to hear from you. ..You have a place to stay if you come down.



PullPitch
www.skybercam.com
01-22-2004 Over year old.
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ausheli
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalgoorlie, the gold capital of Australia, Western

Liberal Arts Graduates....I thought they only thing they ever come up with is ...Do you want fries with that?

Drill it, Blast it, Bog it
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Woody218
Veteran
Location: Bismarck, ND

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1978 the economy was smokin with Carter in office


Are you kidding? You cannot be serious. You call 21% interest rates smokin'? I think YOU'VE been smokin' something... yeah, the economy was smokin' allright, from the friction generated by the steep decline it was in. Carter sat on his hands and consulted his daughter, Amy, who was 12 years old at the time. Why not, she probably had better ideas about how to run things than he did.


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You better think who you want sitting in the seat of that crane setting that bridge iron, a skilled union employee or someone hired off the street.


Just because someone is off the street, it doesn't make them any less qualified. I'll bet YOU were off the street when they hired you, right? And, just because someone belongs to a union, it doesn't make them any more qualified. As a matter of fact, I'll bet that most of the crane wrecks on a construction site have been when a skilled union employee was sitting in the seat...

Let's look at a few facts concerning labor unions. The union decides that they're going on strike for more wages. Even if you don't want to strike, you want to continue to provide for your family, if you don't go out, someone will beat your face in with a bat. So, now we're on strike. The company you work for decides to meet the extortion demands, and so now it's back to work. The company has stockholders to answer to, and it's not going to be pretty at the stockholder's meeting unless the company can show a rate of return, so what has to happen? The prices charged by the company for their product or service has to go up. Multiply this scenario by hundreds of companies. Pretty soon, the union is telling the workers that their standard of living is going down, so they need to go on strike again, because all these companies with union workers have had to raise their prices to maintain the bottom line for the stockholders. It's a vicious circle, the end result being that union workers have priced themselves out of a lot of jobs in the USA. From GM's point of view, I'm sure they would rather have the jobs remain here in the USA, but if they can hire a Mexican worker for $10.00 a day, it's going to be better for THEIR STOCKHOLDERS than paying someone in Detroit $25.00 an hour to do the same job. And isn't it the stock market that all the liberals have been whining about? You cannot have it both ways.

Labor unions continue to support liberals, and liberal politicians are anti-business. If liberals have done the unions so great, why does organized labor continue to shrink? I know the standard, canned union liberal response, it's all those damned Republican's fault! (yeah, right!!!)


Gravity Always Wins!
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

Unions

Don't get me wrong, I am not aginst most all Americans making good money. The problems with unions is this: In my example of the "stop sign turner, or crane operator" the laboror makes more money with less training. I could be trained to do there job in very little time. Probaly less than a day for the stop sign turner (if I am awake) and maybe a week to be a good crane operator. These folks make more than the engineers that had to have 4-6 yrs of school, and 4 years of experience to get thier licences. Thats 8-10 years minmum just to get started then they have all of the resonsibility. If a dozer operator makes a mistake he gets to push the dirt back. If the engineer makes a mistake, he is in court fighting for his license. Why go through all that when you can make more running the dozer listening to headphones. I ask myself this eveyday. How will I convince my son to go to college when he can make more stress free as an operator. I am often tempted to bag the engineering thing and go to heavy equipment school (I think it is six months long). Maybe I am an evil republican but I think I deserve more take home pay than a stop sign turner.

I would want the best crane operator for the job. I dont care if they are black, white, male, female, hispanic, transgender etc. I shouldn't have to chose from a short list of unionized folks. Of course the democrats come into the office and start counting the number of folks in certain races and genders and slap fines and lawsuits if you don't met their rainbow expectations. Any laws that deals with race is racist. The democrats have promised minorities so much for so long. They lie for votes. You guys had eight years to fix things and now blame Bush after three years, one and a half of which he was leading dozens of nations in a coalition that pretty much equates to WWIII. And he still turned the Clinton deconomy around!

RickC,

You have responded to few of my points. Rather you attack my spelling and bring up Rush Limbaughs drug addiction. Why do you guys always bring him up when someone makes a good point? You cant win so instead you launch personal attacks. Again, so typical.

If education is no longer rewarded and assembly line labor gets $30/hr the jobs are going over seas. The other countries that value education are gonna have us licked in no time. America will suffer in ways we can't even fathom yet.

RickC, what say you, please no personal attacks, you are better than that.

I think the score is about 10 to 1. Your ball.





PullPitch
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01-22-2004 Over year old.
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Be it Republican or Democratic government, they have both ruined the American economy and workforce.
They need to stop the Corporate giants from taking their factories/manufacturing companies to the third world countries where they exploit very low wages over there to make huge profits in sales here in America (eg. cell phones).
Years ago, products are labeled 'Made in USA' now everything you see is 'Made in China'.
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rickc
Elite Veteran
Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

I'm not a 100% Clinton man but I did liked the economy while he was in office. I liked your comment about learning how to operate a crane in a week and a good crane operator at that. That sums you up right there to me. Unrealistic... There is a big difference in moving a machine from point a to point b and operating it with the same control as it being an extension of your arm. You think you can learn in a week to set a 1 ton a 120-ton or even a 400-ton load with precision while looking at the load sometimes over 200 or 300 feet off the ground, that's what crane operators do. Keep in mind you have other trades working around you, Iron workers waiting for you to fly the beam to them and to have it motionless not rocking when it gets there, also keep in mind they are perched very high off the ground standing on a spud wrench stuck in a hole on a piece of iron set earlier. You bring it down an inch to fast and they can lose fingers, bang the other standing iron and you can rattle them right off their perch. Make a mistake here and your not in court fighting for your license, your carrying the burden of fatalities and will be in court explaining why.

I mainly run excavators and normally where headphone for my walkman. I prefer listening to music or talk radio over ear plugs. Feel like digging around 16 inch high-pressure gas mains? You hit it and you'll be the first to know about it. How about fiber optics, there are fiber lines I have dug around, over, under that if you cut it your looking at a million dollars a minute in down time lawsuits. I believe most can move a machine given the proper training but to operate it is another story.

Even a flagger, a stop sign turner as you call it. There is much more going on there. They have great responsibilities, so much so that they need to be certified. I feel very sorry for some flaggers. I have worked many days around here when the heat index had exceeded 115 degrees with high humidity; I sometimes have an air-conditioned cab, not always but sometimes. The labor holding the flag has to maintain their concentration and control traffic for the safety all working on the job as well as the motorist. It's a very tuff job to be in the elements all day long for them. I would not want to do it.

I did not vote for Bush but I stand behind him on the war on terrorism. He has guts and I'm not sure if anyone else would have pursued the terrorist as he has. Bush has balls and shoots from the hip, I won't take that away. If he would focus on the economy and put America first things would be much better, at least in these parts. We see issues in a different light and nothing we can say here will make a difference on that. I've spent to much time banging keys now, I realize I brought this on myself by venting a political comment publicly. It's time for me to put on the Transmitter Mitten and burn some fuel.

Rick
01-22-2004 Over year old.
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Kwan
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

First off, I believe George W is doing a fantastic job especially his vowl to promote a more family friendly society in general and being family friendly is definitely not a Clinton thing. The country is recovering with optimism facing the new year despite 9/11, terrorism, dot-com burst, and, rampant corporate fraud.

It always annoys me when people associate good economic times with Clinton. From my perspective, all he did was inherit all the hard work and economic strategies started by George Sr. and kept Greenspan to keep him out of trouble !!! Other than getting his knob polished by who knows how many fist-lady wanna-be's or parading his saxophone around late night shows...he seems like a basic useless person except for the ability to speak volumes about nothing !!! To sum up Clinton, he basically desecrated and reduced the most powerful position on earth to nothing more than a playboy's playbin. Probably even Hugh Heffner will take an offense to my comaring him to Clinton?! Because Hugh is definitely not shifty about what his intensions are !

To clarify another member's comments -- the unions cannot legally strike for wages but they can stike for working conditions or health benefits and such...

Kwan
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

Bush is like a guy who one the lottery to run the country for a day..
Instead he won to run it for four years...

.... wait ... did I say won??


Please someone tell me....
.....How are we better-off from this war.????
... and was it worth the lives of all our young boy and girls.???..

It's easy to call for war when neither you nor your kids will be in harms way.

Those poor kids who were just trying to get college tuition cash.
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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

Monica served her country well....

Bill is just a regular red-blooded heterosexual american.
...He's not a clergy..

He charmed dem babes with that sacs...
... Don't be a hater......

If Mr. Bush had someone under his desk then maybe it would have calmed his a$$ down a bit. We might have ended up with a more peaceful alternative to the war.

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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

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If Mr. Bush had someone under his desk

What a shame, you don't even know what you are talking about!
Mr. Bill's shameful action caused Bin Laden to arm for 8 years and dropped it on Mr. Bush's lap. All this mess should be blamed on him rather than our current President.
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

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Mr. Bill's shameful action caused Bin Laden to arm for 8 years


all the crap went down in the middle of Bills second term....

so how does the 8 years come in....????????????

Please COUNT...

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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Woody218
Veteran
Location: Bismarck, ND

I believe the first World Trade Center attack occured in February 1993, the first year of Clinton's Presidency. So, 8 years IS right.

Please COUNT...


Gravity Always Wins!
01-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
debogus
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont,peoples republic of mexifornia

armageddon

duck ,
I just got home from work ,tired, have other things to do .
Trust me stand down . You are not armed for this battle.

Dave
got milk got sand got>>>>>>>>>
Tienes mica?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
armageddon
Veteran
Location: N. Y.

Woody218
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I believe the first World Trade Center attack occured in February 1993, the first year of Clinton's Presidency. So, 8 years IS right.


READ... PLEASE

the quote was.
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Mr. Bill's shameful action caused Bin Laden to arm for 8 years


let me repeat what the quote was again:.
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Mr. Bill's shameful action caused Bin Laden to arm for 8 years


and again .... PLEASE READ
Will not repeat again......


The only difference between Slick Willy (a.k.a) Bill and those who prosecuted him is that he got caught...
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out of this thread..... BYE BYE

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WHAT SIGNATURE?
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Again, what a shame armageddon, you don't know what you are talking about!
Bye, bye is right for you!
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
debogus
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont,peoples republic of mexifornia

What did I miss?

Thought as much
Spew a bunch of retoric then leave, probaly brag to your lib buddies tomorrow.
He Blew up a asprin factory ( pharmasuticals?) for gawd sakes , what was worse ,was the fact that owner lives here, he set it up to help his people. How long was that news, about 2 seconds .
Remember everything that _______ did or didnt do ,we do!


Dave ! liveD eht em llac sdneirf yM
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
jerrythercpilot
Veteran
Location: --South Florida --

rickc


I will pose this question to you and everyone else I have ever come in contact with that say "Clinton presided over the best economy in decades". Please name one program or policy, that Clinton instituted to contribute to "his" great economic expansion?.......I'm waiting.

Light travels faster than sound, thats why some people appear so bright UNTIL you hear them speak.
01-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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