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Off Topics > Heli taking down enemy soldiers (video)
 
 
SolarXtreme
Veteran
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA

I think this is a Longbow... http://www.rock1053.com/helicopter.html
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I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

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Freya EVO
01-15-2004 Over year old.
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SolarXtreme
Veteran
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA

What is that thing at the bottom middle of the HUD?
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I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

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Freya EVO
01-16-2004 Over year old.
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Ted Toth
Elite Veteran
Location: Myrtle Beach S.C.

amazing vid this is getting posted and e-mailed everywhere

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.
01-16-2004 Over year old.
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joey.furr
Senior Heliman
Location: Little Rock, AR

It kind of helps you to realize how veterans suffer from combat stress when the adrenaline ebbs and they have time to think on what their job is.

Then to go out and do your job again? My ultimate respect and thanks.
01-16-2004 Over year old.
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gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

What I wonder is : How can you tell them from civilians??? They did not have any weapons I could see. (Alot of good it would have done them)
01-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

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What I wonder is : How can you tell them from civilians??? They did not have any weapons I could see.


If it looks like the enemy, and walk like an enemy. shoot them!

Its look like maybe they are some type a guerilla that was carring some weapons on the truck.

What is funny is the last guy hiding under the truck. He take out his head to check and bang, bang, bang.......................

Speed of light is greater than speed of sound. Some people seem very bright until U hear them speak
01-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ScareCrow_Delta
Veteran
Location: Sebastian, FL

that place was probably declared no man zone... i'm pretty sure that the civilians had plenty of warning not to go there or they will get shot.

~~~~ Defy the laws of gravity....gracefully ~~~~
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Vitya
Veteran
Location: North York, Ontario

Thats a horrible video, joey makes a good point about the stress. Imagine what the guys think about when they think of what their job is...

Anyways why didn't they shoot back? The guy to the left didn't even seem to react to the guy in the middle falling...Odd...
01-17-2004 Over year old.
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ofnamp
Heliman
Location: Port Ludlow WA

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What I wonder is : How can you tell them from civilians???


We(the people watching) don't know if they were civilians or military. All we can do is put trust in our troops to make the right choices. Just think if it were you flying that heli.......would you just blast 4 dude for no reason.....i wouldn't and i don't think the pilots would have either for no reason

The unfortunate thing about these ten second clips is they don't show what happen before hand, example those four guys shooting flak cannons at the copter or something


Shawn
01-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
darhom
Heliman
Location: SoCal

That video is only 1 minute. I have the full 3 minute version (30 megs). The soldiers in the heli first witness a man carry what appears to be a RPG and throw it in the field. . They then radio in for permission to engage. The have to wait 2 mintues to engage, and this is what has been cut from this version. If anyone wants to host the full version, let me know, but remember, it's over 30 megs.
01-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
James Yeram
Veteran
Location: Ridgecrest, CA

it doesn't matter who it is if they get the order to engage they have to.
just about any branch of the military is the same.
in war if you disregard an order you are screwed.
maybe even for life. they don't take **** like that softly.
and joey is right. it messed with alot of peoples heads after the wars we have been in. they think about what they are doing but know it is to keep the stupid and terrorist out of our country.
well i guess that is why i joined. i don't like the fact that i might have to kill someone or i might die in the next year cause of some stupid ass who like to kill people relentlessly.
but we are keeping america running and free.
also i like hueys and cobras and i enjoy every minute of my job.
even though today is the first day i got of in two weeks of 12 on 12 off.
if any one has ever flown in a huey than they would know my passion of my job.
still waiting on a cobra ride though i heard they were twice as agile.
by the way all my co workers loved the video.
thanks
01-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
helidog
Senior Heliman
Location: usa

For those of you that think this video is an awful thing, it’s all on how you look at it.
Some people get off on doing there job in fact its quite fun, was a quote from an old heli door gunner buddy of mine that spent two years in Vietnam. He told me it was the best hunting you could ever experience and wish that the war had never ended. He simply put it. “Quote” “I WAS SENT BY OUR GOVERNMENT TO DO A JOB AND I DID MY JOB VERY WELL.”

He was shot down two times and went back for more. You might think he was a sick person but no. he was a very well to do captain of the local fire department.
He had lots of cool pictures of his good old days and he was proud to show what he did for his country.
01-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ScareCrow_Delta
Veteran
Location: Sebastian, FL

I tell you, stress from the war made me a different man when I came home. I enjoy life even more. But on the good side, all that comabat pay and hazard pay and all other good pay got me started in this addiction . I'd like to go back there for the money so I can get a Raptor 60 , don't tell my old lady though

~~~~ Defy the laws of gravity....gracefully ~~~~
01-18-2004 Over year old.
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Vitya
Veteran
Location: North York, Ontario

If i was in the US there is a good chance i would have signed up. Yeah that video is not what most would watch with family, but you know that if the heli guys would not have shot them down they would have fired an rpg at blackhawk or some other heli another day, I have no problem with seeing this video if i know the people getting shot are terrorists that one day would fly planes into buildings.
01-18-2004 Over year old.
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helidog
Senior Heliman
Location: usa

Victor Iliescu


GOOD MAN
01-18-2004 Over year old.
 
 
chipichape
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, Canada/Budapest, Hungary

Hi,

Nothing to say against, after all ~.5k Hungarian soldiers are over there supporting the international forces.

BUT

~1 month ago a (Hungarian, but this is not relevant) guy was shot dead by US forces in Iraq (BTW he was a civilian contractor of an US military support company).

After some investigation the case looked like this (there were witnesses around): US forces found someting strange next to a highway in the outskirt of Bagdag during the night (no public lights available). Hence they quickly set up a roadblock - means they put a Hummer accross the highway - with lights off. The guy just drove his car back from work (with high speed since they were on the highway) carrrying his translator and some other local guys, none of them saw the Hummer across the road, neither the first warning shots...
...half an our later another car (carrying local Iraqis) were shot to pieces at the same roadblock.

Now why I tell you this story guys - after all you can say the guy took the risk when he went there...
...but the Iraqi people do not, they just live there. In this part of the world (I am in the Emirates now) people do count the number of iraqi civilians killed by US troops, too. (and that is a high figure..., even it is not published by CNN)

The physic is understandable (shoot before someone shoot me), but (IMHO) this is the point where we can loose the Iraqi people and consequently Iraq at all. We should learn from the history - no one could ever kept a country for long without the support of local people.
(Do you now that the iraqi sleng refers to US troops as "pigs" and that the majority of Iraqi people consider the US troops as occupying forces? - these are unfortunately facts - even if we don't like them)

So when you are watching such videos and comment like above, please think twice - every Iraqi civilians killed over there makes the death of an allied soldier meaningless...

Chip
01-18-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Vitya
Veteran
Location: North York, Ontario

I think everyone is a little jumpy over there, they hear of exploding cars etc... and then they see a car driving at their roadblock in the night. At this point i think many(soldiers) would expect that car to explode if it reached the barrier. Due to this fact, civillians have to be carefull how they act around soldiers etc...Very sorry to hear that about the civillians, i think more care should have been taken; the warning shots should have been fired at the tires. However none of us really know 100% of what happened so we can't really know why that tragic accident happened. I hope in the future civillians do not have to suffer.
01-18-2004 Over year old.
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chipichape
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, Canada/Budapest, Hungary

Hi,

I think I was a bit offtopic, but it just come out after reading some comment above...

Anyway, I just try to visualize the problem of shooting around. Unfortunately this kind of cases are not rare over there...

Chip
01-18-2004 Over year old.
 
 
helidog
Senior Heliman
Location: usa

A problem with communication is a big thing when you don’t speak the same language you don’t have to go to war to have a communication problem. If civilians and solders cannot understand each other because of the language barrier you will have a very big escalated problem and yes people will be jumpy and it is human nature to not trust.

Hell we don’t even trust our neighbor anymore why would we trust people that are shooting at us.

I remember a few years ago that a boy from overseas came to live with a family in a town (I don’t remember where this took place) the kid was a foreign exchange student and he went up to a house at night needing help. The owner of the house came to the door and the student had tried to get into the house and the home owner couldn’t understand what he was saying “he had shot the student dead”

This was all caused by the communication barrier. “Point being”
When we are confronted with the possibility of confrontation we will all react the way that our animal instinct pushes us.

We will all fight. Try taking a baby from its mother. Human or animal the action is the same.

From this are we any different than animals? And the question is, who is really the animal you don’t see animals killing each other over some damn Religion, Oil, Money ECT.

Will we ever change? Take a look at human history and you will get your answer.

Until we can all learn to trust each other we will never change. It is up to all of us to change NOT JUST OUR GOVERNMENTS, ALL OF US.

We are all the same and no different and we will all jump to protect our self when our life is threatened.

So any one that is against war and think that you are any better than the solders fighting that war try this.

Walk down a dark ally some night where you know danger is in every crack and crevasse
And when someone jumps out of the dark at you, see what your reaction is.

Think twice before judging solders of any nation
01-18-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Vitya
Veteran
Location: North York, Ontario

Very well put helidog. If humans do not learn to tolerate and trust, it will lead to their destruction. Im moving back to my home planet, beam me up Scotty
01-19-2004 Over year old.
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