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e-Century Hummingbird - Swift > Inverted Hover - Please talk me out of this one
 
 
blueeyedpop
Senior Heliman
Location: westlake village, CA

greggypoo got it right. Prop, motor, tail motor, tail blades.

Did you get the gyro in there?
01-08-2004 Over year old.
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Bluesilver30
Veteran
Location: USAF Academy, CO - USA

so let me get this straight. you'll be flying the hummingbird, with most of the componants right side up, and the fuselage upside down?




haha. good luck.

-Nick
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Skypig
Heliman
Location: Citrus Heights, CA

You may want to rethink the hanging from the string idea. I tried what you are doing and had some interesting results. I had made a device attached to the skids that suspended the heli upside down and would enable me to take off and land inverted. The added weight was a bit much and the gyro could not handle the extra speed of the rotors and keep the heli from spinning. I did not have the inverted skills (that is any) at the time to hold the stick in the position to keep the heli from spinning and try to fly at the same time( the controls were set up as they would be for inverted flight).

I also tried to hang the heli from a string attached to a very flexible rod (similar to your stretchy string idea) and found that as the heli gets light it starts to flail all over the place because the head speed is not enough at this point to give any control authority ( much like when you fly it high and try to come down by lowering the power...head speed decreases and control goes to pot). I could never get the head speed high enough to get the heli to actually start flying without it going wildly all over the place.

I like the idea of the two parallel rods, hanging the heli from them, then pull them out when it starts to fly. This makes me want to give it another try with a bit of a variation of that idea (the fact that my inverted flying is a bit more adept doesn't hurt either).

GOOD LUCK!!!

Taking off and flying are easy, It's the landings that will kill you.
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
srslamalot
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta, GA

I believe it's possible, because I read an article once of a guy that made some minor modifications to his Light Machine, and practiced flying inverted with it. Mind you, he took off by hand, and landed by crashing into a bush.
I've had the idea of hanging one of my helis from some sort of configuration off dowels (would resemble a daddy longlegs) to practice hovering inverted. Maybe during the summer.

Tom

If my wife finds out how much these things cost, she's gonna kill me!!!
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Spencer K
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Az

just spend the money

it would actually be easier to get the collective pitch upgrade
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
DarkForce
Heliman
Location: Kentucky

GOOD POINT !!!

Well dude dont let us down on the video !!!
it should be interesting to say the least!

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01-08-2004 Over year old.
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devin120
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

Yes please make that video.
01-09-2004 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Video

I promise - I'll get Video - If all goes well I should have it posted here by Saturday evening.
01-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Carlos2
Veteran
Location:

Coooool! Are we gonna see any Crisco on the floor?
01-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

I'm sure you'll see

something on the floor

01-09-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Spencer K
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Az

lol good luck!!! with a little determination, it would work. when it works your gonna want to start flipping it... time for collective pitch upgrade
01-10-2004 Over year old.
 
 
GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

The big day - Progress report

Hmmmmmm – Not the best progress today

Here’s how it went –

Before anything else, I copied the existing radio setup from one 8103 to another – I wanted to be able to tweak the setup as necessary and didn’t want to lose my existing setup.

First thing I did to ready the Hummingbird was to flip the blades over and reverse the direction of the main rotor, by reversing the polarity of the main motor – While I was at it, I also flipped the paddles over and made sure that the rotor was balanced.



Next step was to get the tail rotor reversed – Same process as with the main rotor – Reverse the blades and also reverse the polarity of the motor. Since there are no pins on the reverse side of the tail rotor blades to mount to the secondary gear, I used some nylon string to hold it against the secondary gear – To prevent the reversed blades from coming in contact with the tail motor hub, I used a small section of silicone tubing between the gear and the tail blades.



Since the rotors are running in a reverse direction, it was also necessary to reverse the gyro direction. Since I’m using the stock century gyro, this is accomplished by mounting it upside down – Since this was temporary, I decided that rather than remounting the entire gyro, I just popped the case open and mounted the internal component temporarily at the rear of the frame with some servo tape.



For initial trimming and trials, I decided that I would tether the hummingbird from the ceiling. I had some rubber bands handy, so I used those. Someone had mentioned that this wouldn’t work – Well guess what – It didn’t!
It was a step in the right direction though, since it simplified what I attempted next –

HAND LAUNCHING!!!



OK – Results? Not so good

If you remember, I had been concerned that the Hummingbird wouldn’t have enough cyclic control to counteract the weight and pendulum effect of the fuselage when it was inverted – This turned out to be exactly the case. In an inverted orientation and with the rotor now turning counterclockwise, the natural rotor tilt was now about 10 degrees low on the right side when viewed from the rear. In order to try to counteract the extreme tendency to roll right, I input maximum sub-trim to left aileron. Unfortunately the weight of the body, combined with the rotor tilt was too much to counteract with aileron control and the tendency to roll hard right couldn’t be overcome.

As promised, I did get a video demonstrating both launch methods I attempted, but like I said, this just didn’t work out. I kept the video short and small so bandwidth isn’t wasted, but if you’re curious, it’s at the bottom of my gallery if you’re compelled to have a look (I guess it is entertaining)

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/gallery/13347/

It’s below the section titled “A really stupid Project - The inverted Hummingbird”

Sorry guys – I tried.

Greg
01-10-2004 Over year old.
 
 
blueeyedpop
Senior Heliman
Location: westlake village, CA

And greggypoo goes down in history. At least his chopper will still go up.

Congratulations
01-10-2004 Over year old.
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devin120
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

Cant see video? Says site not found?
01-11-2004 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Video Fixed

Sorry about that - Should be working now.
01-11-2004 Over year old.
 
 
KenJ
Veteran
Location: Ohio, USA

"U" da man!!

Greg!!

You da man!!

We have a local contest every weekend for HB's at the local hobby shop.

Looks like there will be a new twist!!!

K

Team JR
01-12-2004 Over year old.
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xbox
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Well, Kudos to you GreggyPoo, at least you tried...good persistance
01-13-2004 Over year old.
 
 
beereduppilot
Senior Heliman
Location: fleetwood uk

yeah greggypoo go for it i did today when i tried to fly my hb towards me(head first) right into the wall (D'oh) now minus a main blade lol that part of the fun any way i have ordered a sim to try and learn orientation b4i try to get brave again
so whats the best heli to go for after the hb i was kinda lookin at the picolo pro as i wanna get into cp but i kinda wanna do it indoors incase it embarassing so should i go for a full on ic macine or sick indoors stuff til i can handle cp
01-13-2004 Over year old.
 
 
GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Hey - Beer'ed-up!

The Piccolo is a nice little Micro heli with CP - It's somewhat "nervous" in flight as compared to the Hummingbird, certainly not as duarable and you'll find that many of the replacement parts are on par costwise with the 30-size nitros (wood blades for example ar $30 for the P-Pro which is roughly what you could expect to pay for 550mm blades on a Raptor 30).

These considerations should be noted.

You do point out something interesting though - You indicate that you're interested in a CP machine that you'll be able to use indoors. I assume that you mean in the privacy of your own home? To be honest, you will never learn any 3D or other aerobatic or inverted maneuvers on the P-Pro or any collective-pitch heli in your house - Possibly in a gymnasium.

This type of flight is certainly "possible" to do with a CP micro in your livingroom, butit highly doubtful that you will have the space to learn these maneuvers in that environment.

I'd start with the simulator next - You will found (as I have) that the combination of learning on the simulator and applying that control to the Hummingbird is a very powerful combination. If you structure your learning program you will find that one day your brain will just "click" and any trpe of flying and control orientation will open before you - You may consider waiting until that point before you decide on a piccolo, a nitro, or whatever seems to be of interest to you at that time.
01-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
beereduppilot
Senior Heliman
Location: fleetwood uk

cheers greggypoo
yeah i work offshore in the oil and gas industry so i have lots of time to use the sim on my laptop so i will keep on simming and using the hummingbird (i can take it to work too ) so looking at it i will be better off waiting and getting the nitro model in a few months when i am in full control on the sim and my hummingbird which i can fly ok now just some time things get a lil mixed up when i fly towrads myself i am sure some time on the sim will help me and my bank balance so would you recomend the raptor 30 as a first nitro or do you have any other preference
cheers for the advice mate and nice bmw by the way bet it was worth the wait
01-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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