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Conrod
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Location: Melbourne, Florida

parents

My mom would not hesitate to knock the **** out of me if I was disrespectful to anyone. I thank her for that. Also...where I grew up (Monroe,Louisiana) the principals had the paddles with holes and weren't afraid to use them.
The whole point: Consequences to your actions.

It's that simple.
Conrad Mingledorff
01-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
MobileRaptor
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Location: Orange, Texas

If you think in this day and age you have any rights as a parent you don't
(at least in the State of Florida)

My wife was previously married and with a daughter by that marrage, the daughter resided with the father for medical reasons. In the spring of 02 the father lost his job and placed the daughter (the daughter was 16) in his mothers care while he fould a new job and got back on his feet. In late summer the daughter came to spend a couple of weeks with he mother (My Wife) And this is when we found out about the situation. Well after several phone calls with the father it was decided the the daughter would live with us. (they did have joint custody) We went through the normal thing of getting her in-rolled in school, school cloths and supplies and the such. She was sharirg a room with her half sister and the were getting ready to convert a spare room into a bedroom for one of them.

Five days after the joint decission for her to stay with up the sheriffs department showed up with a court order from south Florida, endorsed by Alabama to have the child removed from our house and return her to Florida and placed in the care of the grandmother. The Grandmother had filed charges of abuse by the father and neglect by the mother. These aligations were investigated and were report to the courts as un-founded.

Well, now two years later, after five visits to South Fla 12,000.00+ in legal fee's the daughter is a ward of the state and in the care of the grandmother. They are living togeather in a one bedroom apt and the daughter hasn't had any contact with parrents sence the beginning of the court case and this is all supported by the Boward County Court System.

The Court system has basically ripped the family apart for there own gain, they get funding for ever child that is technically in there care. hence Ward of the State. The lawyers involved stretched the case out to sap all involved of what they had and force them into near bankruptcy.

There is a lot to this story and currently the Goveners Offices of Florida and Alabama are investigating the case. Alabama Govener wants to know why and Alabama judge Rubber Stamped the Florida order and removed the child from her mother when there were no charges against the mother in the original complaint. The judge involved in Florida has been removed from the family law court system. (transfered).

The daughter will turn 18 this month (January) and will grauduate high school this year and more than likely nothing is going to happen before she does, (At which time she will be deamed an adult) also this late in the game it would probably do more harm than good.

So if you think that as a parrent you have rights, You Don't!!!
01-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

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If you think in this day and age you have any rights as a parent you don't


My youngest son came home from 1rst grade and told me that his teacher told the whole class that parents couldn't spank thier children because it was child abouse.

I told him that was a load of BS and if he cared to test me on it to go ahead. I'd be thrown in jail before I let my children run the house.

I believe in spanking kids when they challenge parents authority.

Because my kids understand the consequences of disrespect to thier parents, spanking has actually rarely been required. Many may disagree with spanking. I hope they enjoy doing what thier kids tell them to do
01-02-2004 Over year old.
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Peter65
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Location: Roxby Downs, South Australia.

MobileRaptor

Sorry to hear your story. It's a sad one for sure. Courts here are not much different. We recently had an inquiry into child custody laws and the family court system. The outcome of the report looks favourable but it's yet to be seen what will come of it. One of the major ideas was that the courts will have little to nothing to do with child custody unless it's an absolute last resort.

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...
01-02-2004 Over year old.
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TurboRacer
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Location: CT

Coming from a kid's point of view (I'm 25 now), I grew up with a fairly strict father. At the time, when we were younger, if me and my bro did something bad, we'd get punished. We'd get spanked, or grounded for a week or two. Back then, I thought it sucked. Of course.. But ya know what? It really taught me that I need to respect people and people's belongings. Back then, I just thought he was being a hardass -- which he was -- but it made me a better person. I thank him for how he raised us, and I think he did a great job.

The problem with most kids today is they have absolutely NO respect for anything.. I can't think of how many times I saw a brat in public scream at their parent(s), and make a huge scene because they couldn't have their way, and the parent giving in to that. What does that teach them?! That teaches them that they can get away with anything, and won't be punished. Some kids these days run absolutely wild and have no regard for anything.

I could go on and on about that.

When I have kids, I will punish them as necessary, and they WILL respect people and things.
01-02-2004 Over year old.
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Peter65
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Location: Roxby Downs, South Australia.

Steve Irwin

Yesterday Mr Irwin (wanker extreme) joined the ranks shared by only one other. That being Mr Jackson. During one of his sessions at his Australia Zoo he decided to include his new born son (1 month old) Steve thought it time Bob (his son) should be introduced to the world of crocodile madness. While feeding a 4 metre croc Steve was holding his son in the other arm.

Now there are people out there who don't deserve kids. This must be coming pretty close? This incident is now being investigated after many onlookers were shooked by the stunt.

You need a drivers licence to drive a car but any idiot can have children.

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...
01-03-2004 Over year old.
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Blackdog
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Location: In a snow bank.........with no money

sheesh!!

I'm 34 and married and glad I don't have children........ even more now after reading this thread.

Here's my baby



Addicted to Kaos and destin for disaster
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
heliVoY
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Location: NJ

My son is almost 3 now, but if He ever get spanked for somehting he did (now i only believe in spanking as a last resort, when nothing else works) ... but if me doing so means me going to jail, than so be it ..... After somehitng like that, forget any toys, privileges etc ... .. id rather go to jail, than to bring up a delinquent prick... The same people who put good parents in jail, are the same people who mis use out tax $$, and create political scandals .....

What sucks also, is that there are so many kids that are in fact being abused, and the government does nothing about it ....


its a sick sick world .... it scares me too see the current generation of pompas, arogant kids coming out of the schools and hitting the real
world ......



Wojtek
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Hughes500Pilot
Key Veteran
Location: Anaheim, CA

Just to follow up after some of the reading I have done from this post.

1. Spanking your kids is not the same as beating your kids.

2. I only spank when necessay - and only as a last resort. There are several other steps I use before spanking.

3. As stated above, I never spank out of anger. I use it as a tool to teach my kids the conquencens of their actions.

4. A social worker HAS NO POWER OR AUTHORITY to remove a child from a home (in California anyways). If they suspect actual abuse, they must call police who then investigate the matter. If the police officer finds acutal abuse, only they have the power to remove the kids. As stated above, most police officers realize a parent who spanks their child is just trying to raise good kids and the cops are not on a witch hunt to take you to jail.

5. Out of all the people you can think of who have kids and use spanking, how many of them have ever been visited by social services or the police? Further, how many of them have ever had their kids removed? For the vast majority of you reading this - I bet you will not think of anyone...

6. Teachers are out there to do a job. As such, they see lots of kids every day. They deal with "normal" kids and "little ****s" on regular basis. Teachers know and realize that kids must be raised properly to be decent people. Most teachers are not out acting as spys to turn you in for spanking your kids.

7. When kids are taken away from their parents, it is usually for a very good reason. A reason that can be doucumented and shown to a jury. Broken bones, large brusies, cuts, cruel punishment, torture.

Bottom line, raise your kids as you see fit. Just remember, if they turn out to be little ****s, the only person to blame is yourself.

-Steve

P.S. Please remember, some kids just turn out bad. All their brothers and sisters grow up just fine... But some times there is just a bad apple and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
heliVoY
Veteran
Location: NJ

I believe in the state of NY, it is legal to spank your child, even with a rod or belt, as long as its not abusive in nature and is dont in the realms of reasonable disciplice (hey, we discipline because we love then , right ? ) ... however i guess it would be to the judgement of a police oficer or social worket to determine if the punushment was abusive or now ...

I live in NJ now, and the way it is over here, if you hold your kids arm too tight, or yell at them, you can get an investigation or more .... (NJ is the most over regulated state i think, can't do anything without paying for it or getting a permit .. )



Wojtek
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

When we were young kids , we got spanked (with cane/belt) if we did wrong.

I don't resent that and I believe that its necessary.

Now that I am a father myself , I appreciate that sometimes , discipline must be threatened and , if need be , enforced as well.

Its just that we are very protective of our children now. We coddle them and protect them because life is very precious and standards of living much higher. So when , say , your kid is spanked in school, the first thought would be "Why" and perhaps anger as well that someone laid a hand on YOUR child.


School
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I remember my Dad used to tell us that in his early days (1950s), if he got spanked in school , he wouldn't dare to tell his parents when he got home.

Thats because if he did , his Dad would beat him again , since, obviously , if the teacher had reason to beat you , you MUST have done something grievous and therefore , you deserve to be beaten again. Note that his was in the days when teachers were much respected.

Nowadays , it would be more likely for the student's parent to come to school to confront the teacher and threaten to sue the teacher/school for 'abusing' his kid and/or to outright , beat up the teacher. We had an incident here where the student's mom chased the teacher around the classroom with a broom .................. made it into the local papers as well.

Personally , I draw the line here. If the teacher beat my kid because he was naughty/disrespectful etc , go ahead , you won't hear a word from me unless the beating was excessive. ON THE OTHER HAND , if you beat my kid because my kid got poor grades , I am coming to school to tear your head off because, in my view , poor grades is the teacher's failing.

Home
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I have reported a neighbour before to the Police for repeatedly (everyday) , beating their kid. The Police came with local social workers and , probably , had a word with the parents and saw the child first hand.

The beatings stopped immediately thereafter.

So , I would not be totally dismissive of the job that the authorities do. They are , in most cases , parents themselves and are able to distinguish between outright Abuse and a parent's right to discipline.

Child abuse is a terrible terrible crime , all the more when it is perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect the child and done in the 'sanctity' of the home.

I personally feel that I would rather have a system that took abuse reports seriously , rather than the alternative which would be the unspeakable. Just consider the cases of the Boston Catholic Church. If these things were to have happened today , those priests would be in the slammer before you could say Amen.

Cheers and love your kids.

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01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

Quote 
Coming from a kid's point of view (I'm 25 now), I grew up with a fairly strict father. At the time, when we were younger, if me and my bro did something bad, we'd get punished. We'd get spanked, or grounded for a week or two. Back then, I thought it sucked. Of course.. But ya know what? It really taught me that I need to respect people and people's belongings. Back then, I just thought he was being a hardass -- which he was -- but it made me a better person. I thank him for how he raised us, and I think he did a great job.


DITTO

We didn't get grounded .... just spanked... that was plenty!
01-03-2004 Over year old.
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Chem Geek
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Location: Sarasota, FL

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Coming from a kid's point of view (I'm 25 now), I grew up with a fairly strict father. At the time, when we were younger, if me and my bro did something bad, we'd get punished. We'd get spanked, or grounded for a week or two. Back then, I thought it sucked. Of course.. But ya know what? It really taught me that I need to respect people and people's belongings. Back then, I just thought he was being a hardass -- which he was -- but it made me a better person. I thank him for how he raised us, and I think he did a great job.


Same here!

I got spanked in the beginning, then it was on to grounding, and losing my precious electronics or computer Boy that hurt when the pulled the plug on the PC
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
MobileRaptor
Veteran
Location: Orange, Texas

Try it when they take the keys to your car, which you work for, paid for, and maintain insurance for. Which had to be in there names because your underage. You straighten up real quick.

Yes mom what would you like me to do for you????? Please, thank you , may I have another and so forth and so on.
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
sixeven
Senior Heliman
Location: Ft. Myers Florida

In my job I see a constant stream of worthless, jack@$$, ignorant parents on a daily basis. It is those same people that suddenly 'discover' their children have grown up to be jack@ss's too.

I swear some of the families I meet are like felon production facilities.

Someone needs to develop a jack@ss screening tool that parents should have to pass before they are allowed to have kids.

It reminds me of the old computer adage:
"garbage in = garbage out"

Sorry...Just me 2 cents.

SiXeVeN
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Peter65
Key Veteran
Location: Roxby Downs, South Australia.

I have said it before and I'm sure a lot of governments have thought long and hard about it.

It takes a strong willed child to pull him/herself out of the gutter their parents have put them in. I believe in a lot of cases that Criminals breed criminals. These are the people that the children should be taken away from and given a decent shot at life.

I have heard of cases here in Australia where a father/mother will use his/her own child to enter windows too small for himself. The child then opens the door.

Some people should be prevented from having children.
That might raise a few eye browse. These people cost the country money and lots of it.

There is political correctness then there is common sense. Sometimes the two are at odds.

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...
01-03-2004 Over year old.
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Vitya
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Location: North York, Ontario

Im 17 and i love my parents a lot. When i was in Romania, not doing your homework or not paying attention in class resulted in mass execution styled hair pulling (its funny now). The teacher would line us up and give the hair on our temple area a pull. It was painfull but i think i got my discipline from it. I always did my homework and everything so i can't say it didn't work. The discipline was always, in my opinion, warranted as i had truly done something wrong. I personally think i could have used a bit more discipline Hey im not perfect.

Yes hard discipline works but the nice type also does wonders for me. I had this great teacher for Geography, who was extreemly nice, nices guy ever, and because of this i truly respected him. He managed to control the class without ever yelling. He always had a happy attitude, even when people were misbehaving and because of this to get him angry was an unthinkable thing for me. Great guy, i hope high school kids do not change his methods because he is the greatest teacher i have know. This is the type of respect all parents should go for, have you kid know what would take the smile of your face. But if that does not work i geuss an ass kicking is ok
01-04-2004 Over year old.
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Peter65
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Location: Roxby Downs, South Australia.

I think every kid has that great teacher. The one who's more like one of the guys than a teacher. But knew how to handle a class and earned their respect. i still often wonder what happend to him

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...
01-04-2004 Over year old.
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ausheli
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalgoorlie, the gold capital of Australia, Western

Peter, in regards to the government taking children away to give them a decent shot at life, look at what is going on NOW in Australia, in regards to the "stolen generation" the idea was there but it has just opened up a whole legal mess with the government and the churches being sued, that idea just wont work in todays society

Drill it, Blast it, Bog it
01-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cp8
Senior Heliman
Location: Buckeye State

Are we inept? Slackers, irresponsible, uneducated misstaght parents? No, no, no. We face a system working against us created by psychologists, psychiatrists, the medical field and the drug industry. Big money takes control of our children, schools, us and the society. It may seem unreal or like a science fiction story but you now know it is true. We are upstanding, productive, educated, working and able members of society having our family and life dictated by a system which will only mess things up more. Do not buckle and let this stop you from attaining your goals.You will make matters much worse by letting your emotions guide you. Flourish and prosper as an individual and all will come around. God speed.
CP
02-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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