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e-JR Voyager E > should i buy a Voyager e
 
 
syll35
Heliman
Location: Québec , Canada

Just looking for a good and not too expensive
way to start in electric ...(not looking for 3d now)

the voyager e come with a 540 motor ...speed control ...
just need a 8.4v pack ...

will it fly well in the stock version ?

how long will it fly with a pack ?

thanks

Sylvain
12-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

I love my Voyager E and highly recommend it. It's a big heli in a small package. It's also very rugged and docile in stock form. There was an excellent Voyager E review/article and video on RCU a few months ago. You really should read it (PM me for a link). As I recall, the stock VE will fly around just fine but is not very well suited for any aerobatics out of the box. It will fly about 6 minutes on 3300mAH packs. I currently get about 10 minutes with a Hacker BL and 10-cell GP3300 packs.

Lance
12-24-2003 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Agree with Lance

I left mine completely stock and absolutely love it.
It actually has very similar flight characteristics to a small nitro heli in terms of stability and agility.

I actually think it's more precise and has better torque/weight ratio than my Raptor 50.

I run 8-cell 3300 NIMH packs on mine and get a good 6 minutes flight followed by a couple minutes of ground maneuvers. You will know when it's time to land - The Voyager starts to do a head-bob.

I can't speak to durability (haven't crashed it), but it seems very well made for what it is (w/ the exception of the saggy landing struts, but hey, it is a JR ;-)

If you decide to get one, I suggest that you buy 8-cell packs (instead of the recommended 6-7) from the get-go. If you decide to upgrade to a brushless motor/ ESC later, you can still use the 8-cell packs whereas the smaller packs would need to be retired.

If you can think of any other specific questions, feel free to shoot me a note.

PS - Check out my gallery to see some decent Voyager Pics.
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
syll35
Heliman
Location: Québec , Canada

voyager e

thanks guy's

Sylvain
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

Question for Greg: How in the hell did you get the red pant to stick to the milk jug plastic canopy? It looks good!

Lance
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Nothing "too" Special

I sanded the crap out of it w/ 220 (I know, pretty coarse), and then I put about 10 light coats of that new Krylon Fusion rattle-can paint- The stuff actually works the way they advertise AS LONG AS you don't use it for about a week after painting. Peen really happy with it.

If you get enough coats on, it looks shiny in spite of sanding w/ 220.

You should try it out.

Greg
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ralphw
Key Veteran
Location: Spring, TX

Syll35,

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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Ralphw
Key Veteran
Location: Spring, TX

Syll35,

You'll love the VE it's a great little heli. There are a couple of things that can improve it for low cost. The VE tends to be a bit overweight, particularly in the tail and with electric helis lighter weight equals longer flights. To lighten it up, use mini servos...a lot of folks (myself included) have found that Hitec HS 85's are great on the swash and the HS 81 is really good on the tail (if you use the 81 on the tail, mount it with the arm inside the frame then get a carbon pushrod for the tail linkage...nice and stiff and you can dump the piano wire and rod guides that come stock...even more weight saving). If you go that route another weight saver is a set of carbon frames. Most of the CF frames for the VE are already cut to fit the Hitec servos perfectly. I bought a set of CF tail feathers as well to lighten up the tail a bit more.

The stock motor will fly the VE pretty well for basic flying (on 8 cells) but it does go through brushes pretty fast. If you know a good RC car guy or shop, have them true the comm on the motor and check the timing...the motor will last a lot longer, have more power, and will eat fewer brushes. One other thing about the brushes...don't use brushes other than the stock JR replacements. I tried several others and had big issues with them all...high heat, low power, commutator damage...all in all, not pretty. The best upgrade for the VE...a Hacker C40-8L motor and a 3s4p LiPO battery...waaaahoooo !!! Right Lance...??

Any VE questions just ask...I LOVE mine.

VE EXtreme aka FrankenHeli (or the Flying ATM Machine)
Hacker C40-8L, Hacker 40-3p ESC
TP 3s4p LiPO 8200mah pack
CF frames and tail feathers
KSJ Tail assembly w/ MAH 75mm CF blades
KSJ motor mount
Hitec Servos
Extended Tailboom
Quick 15 Head w/ 470mm blades
GMRO Micro V canopy

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

Agreed Ralph. Brushless= no maintenance. You'll want the brushless sooner or later. I'm running the Hacker B40-8L also with the stretched VE and 475mm blades. If you run the stock 540 motor for awhile, make it a frequent regimen to clean the motor out and polish the com with some fine scotch-brite. It will last much longer.

I can't speak for the LiPos though. I haven't had the money or the nerve to make that step yet. Maybe next Spring. I'm doing fine with my 10-cell GP3300 packs at present.

Lance
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Can't disagree w/ Knimrod but...

Considering the cost of upgrade to brushless vs. the cost of brushes and 8-cells - I don't see how you can go wrong with the stocker setup and a few extra brushes, etc. BUT

I AM spoiled though since all my buddies w/ Voyagers upgraded immediately and gave me their leftovers (motors, esc's, etc.) so I am in pretty good shape -

That said though - Don't underestimate the stocker - I have about 40 flights on mine and haven't messed with (i.e replaced) anything - In fact I just flew it 10 minutes ago in my "man room" 10:00 on Christmas eve?

It is such a great little heli - I just LOVE IT!

Got a set of hitec mini digitals and a 401 in mine and everything else is stock - Haven't done any 3D, but it IS the business!

12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Voyager
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

I agree with most above.
I used my VE stock for a while and liked it (8 cell 2600Mh)
Moved up to a hacker brusless and controller ... liked it more.
Finally 'stretched' it and added 420 mm CF blades and longer tail boom. Now it flies much smother and more stable. The bigest bang for the buck was the 'stretch' upgrade but if you do end up liking the VE you should at least try brushless some day.

I didn't want to put a large up front investment so flying the VE stock worked out for me. If you intend to mod the life out of the thing then maybe a Logo 10 would be a good machine to look at as well. I didn't go this route as I don't see the VE as my primary machine but as a second 'fun' toy. (flying in my driveway and at friends houses)

... Rob
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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Voyager
Senior Heliman
Location: Canada

P.S.
If anyone running the stock motor wants a spare, I have 2 that are collecting dust. Offers???

... Rob
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Stock motors/ESC's

What do you want to get for them?

Like I said above - I'm happy with the stocker (very happy, actually) The only modification I may end up doing is putting the Quickie head on it once this one gets too sloppy (T-bell did it, and it looks great - You should check out his gallery). Haven't seen it fly yet, but he speaks very highly of it.

Thanks Rob.

Greg
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

One more Q for Rob

What boom/ belt did you use to stretch the Voyager?

Thanks.

Greg
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
syll35
Heliman
Location: Québec , Canada

voyager e

thanks !!!

i will order the voyager e monday !!!

should i take hitec hs-85

sylvain
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ralphw
Key Veteran
Location: Spring, TX

The boom stretch can be done using a Venture boom and the ECO 16 belt. Just cut the boom down to fit. If you use the Venture boom, note that there are a set of notches on either end and the ones to KEEP are the smaller set which are set to the aft end of the boom. I think the total boom length was about 485mm, but I could be off a bit either way. That will allow you to use 470mm blades with no problem. By the way, if you want to use 420's no stretch is required as they work just fine at the stock boom length.

If you plan to do the stretch mod, I wouldn't recommend it with the stock motor as it will likely be WAY underpowered at that (470mm) blade length. Also, if you're going to use the stock head, look into the mods to tighten it up (fuel tubing on the spindle shaft, thrust bearings, PEK package).

As for costs, Rob is probably right the Logo is cheaper in the long run, but I'm a tinkerer and couldn't resist the challenge of making the VE really fly.

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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GreggyPoo
Senior Heliman
Location: Where it rains all the time

Servos

Sylvian -

I used Hitec HS-5245MG Digitals in mine - Not cheap ($50), but WORTH EVERY PENNY!

Metal gear and programmable - Even include aluminum arms.

Specifications:
Size: 1.3" X 0.7" X 1.2"
Speed: 0.15
Torque: 61 in/oz.
Weight 1.12 oz.

Amazing - You could probably put these in a 30-zize and be happy.
12-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ralphw
Key Veteran
Location: Spring, TX

Syll35,

I've been using the HS85's with nylon gears from day one on the head and an HS 81 on the tail. Different folks have differing opinions re. the metal gear vs the nylon, but the nylon saved me some additional damage when they stripped during a particularly hard crash (not my fault of course, I just flew through an area of excessive gravity ). The nylon gears will also save a few bucks over the metal gear version.

HS85BB
Size: 0.51 x 1.14 x 1.18 in
Weight: 0.77 oz
Torque 41.7 oz-in @4.8V
Speed: 0.16 sec @ 60 deg at 4.8V
Price: approx 23.00

HS81
Size: 0.47 x 1.16 x 1.17
Weight: 0.58oz
Torque: 36.10 oz/in @4.8V
Speed: 0.11sec/60 degrees
Price: approx 18.00

Decisions, Decisions !!! Just remember weight equals flight time and money saved equals upgrade opportunities later !!

Ralph W.
"Life's Short, Fly Fast"
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

I have the same experience as Ralph. I run the nylon gear HS85s and HS81. They work great, are light weight and almost as fast as the digitals. More importantly, they are inexpensive to repair. My personal feeling is that I prefer that the gear strips as opposed to something that may not be as easily repaired.

Lance
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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syll35
Heliman
Location: Québec , Canada

voyager e

Just got it !!!!

should i buy 8 cell pack ??

will the original speed control handle 9.6 volts ?

what do you think of GWS PARK HPX servo ??

thanks

Sylvain
01-11-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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