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PullPitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Bend, OR

I couldnt resist

So far in your statements
1 your friend saw your $3000 car seats in another car
2 you use NRA like its a bad word
3 think people should be able to sue for using a product they know is bad
4 think only grown ups wouldnt want guns except in the wild west
5 the government should be able to tax addictive products
6 you risked you life defending a document you dont beleive in.

Brilliant.

Lets agree to disagree. I like America, you want to change it. See you at the polls.

Thats all I'm gonna say. It has been fun (and easy). I dont want to get kicked of this site.

Thank you for your service

PullPitch
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12-30-2003 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

kauaison
Senior Heliman
Location: Alameda, CA

u made 100 defending the constitution, u should be proud...

12-30-2003 Over year old.

pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

Guns are very divisive.

Even the interpretation of the Amendment is much in doubt. Ie , whether the 'militia' bit is to be read together with the 'right to bear' portion , or , its disjunctive.

In the end , I think that its about personal choice and one's right to defend your home , family and self. If you believe that the best way to do so is with a firearm , so be it. Just be trained in its use and the laws applicable to deadly force.

Concealed Carry is , on the other hand , alltogether another issue. I am sure many have their opinions on these issues.

WILL B.
_________

You say you have a 'Steyr Mannlicher 308' , silenced at that. Your profile says you live in the UK. Do let me know how this is AT ALL possible.

Cheers.

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12-30-2003 Over year old.

Madcow
Senior Heliman
Location: Mackay, QLD, Australia

Gun debates are such an ironic thing. Pro gun owners approach it from an individualistic standpoint. Their right to protect themselves, family, stuff, etc. The people who want to ban guns look at it from a more detatched and coldly logical standpoint. They see benefit in gun control based on facts, figues and comparisons.

Government bodies tend to make decisions based on similar overall views and thus make certain things prohibited for the greater good, so they become an easy target for taking away the rights of individuals. - especially as some harmful things may be allowed and others not (this gives rise to the argument: 'we don't ban x, why should we ban y') This same balance applies to many things, but government inconsistencies should not form the basis for argument about any one particular debate, such as gun control.

12-30-2003 Over year old.

KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

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Gun debates are such an ironic thing. Pro gun owners approach it from an individualistic standpoint. Their right to protect themselves, family, stuff, etc. The people who want to ban guns look at it from a more detatched and coldly logical standpoint. They see benefit in gun control based on facts, figues and comparisons.

I disagree. In the US, pro gun advocates now use facts and statitistics to make their arguments and debunk all of the anti-gun propoganda which is rooted mostly in emotion and not in fact. The true facts are that where guns (and concealed carry) are legal, crime is on the decline. Where it's not, it's on the rise.

The Bill of Rights does indeed guarantee the God given right to keep and bear arms to the people. If anyone has any doubt about the true meaning of the second amendment, I suggest that they read some of the writings of the founding fathers as published in the federalist papers and anti-federalist papers.

The sooner we all realize that crime is not a gun problem but a people problem, the sooner we will begin to address the real issues. After all, if gun laws really worked, there would be no gun crime now.

Lance
"I don't call 911, I call 1911"

12-30-2003 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

ausheli
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalgoorlie, the gold capital of Australia, Western

Umm," God given right" can you back that up with a quote or a fact from god?

Drill it, Blast it, Bog it

12-30-2003 Over year old.

crash1953
Veteran
Location: Washington State

Well Kauson ,I will thank you for standing up for your country when you were needed .. I think you would do it again ..As would most everyone here reading these posts ..
The problem is ,if the people are scared of government then government has gone to far ..
I for one know that of coarse a little 45 acp wont stop a tank if it came to that and we all arent stupid here ,But that same 45 ACP will stop any human being that is trying to harm my family , me or anyone around me ..
I also still have the right to say that ..Oh and I am also a PROUD MEMBER of the NRA and will always be. They are about the only organization that is activley standing for our rights in this country ,not just the 2nd Amendment..If we lose any amendments in our constitution they will all go. It is close to worthless now ,giving the way it seems that the Supreme Court always legislates.That is also another problem .
Giving the way this country went under the Clintons and the ACLU,I am still suprised that we do have a right for anything ..I know government is big and it is a real problem in this country ,but the real fact is still people like to blame their troubles on someone or somebody else instead of standing up for whats right and fair ..We even let the liberals that want our freedoms , run the schools for the most part under the NEA and you see their almost communist products out burning the flag in protest of the very thing that has made them free,TO PROTEST ..
If it keeps going the way it is ,our children will be members of the Clinton youth and having their own parents shot for saying anything deemed not politcally correct.
If you dont want to believe this, just look at the first part of the 20th century and you will see history repeating its self ..The only difference is the names may be different ..Instead of the names Hitler and Stalin and Mousolinni,Hirroito .
The names are Clinton,Clark,Dean,Dashel,Hillary,etc.It makes no difference what the names are, but that we as Americans stop the steady erosion of our freedoms now and gun control is on the forefront for the opposition that wants total control of all of us.

12-30-2003 Over year old.

KnimRod
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Michigan

The Declaration of Independence explains these rights: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights." Many of those rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, were later listed in the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution. God-given rights, of course, should not be qualified or interpreted out of existence by anyone, the government included.

Lance

12-30-2003 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

Davo
Veteran
Location: London, UK

Weaselmeister, your thread's been hijacked at gun point by the Americans

Still got my eyes peeled for your heli, I really hope you find the a$$hole who stole it....

12-30-2003 Over year old.

crash1953
Veteran
Location: Washington State

Well if more Americans carried guns and knew how to use them ,then maybe he wouldnt have had to start a thread on a stolen heli here ..
The a.... that took it might have been to afraid to even have tried to steal his heli in the first place and weisealmeister would be out flying today having alot better time ..
I would also be curious ,if the cops catch the thief ,how many times he has gotten away stealing and whatever else his rap sheet has on it .
I would also be interested in knowing if the cops even will try to catch the thief..
After all the police will protect you and serve you so you dont have to worry about anything ..

12-30-2003 Over year old.

Dsilver668
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunnyvale CA

Weaselmeister

Any news on your insurence. I would be interested in knowing if they will cover your loss.
Also did the police check the local pawn shops. Not sure if they have them or what they call them in the UK, but I can't beleive there would be that many places they could be sold.
It seems odd that someone would steel such a hard to get item. I have a cousin who is a photographer by traid. She had her car broken into and some of her equipment stolen. Her Minolta, and Cannon cameras were taken, but her Licca, and Hesenblat were left behind. Sorry for missspelling the name. Anyone who knows cameras can't vouch that the stuff they left behind was BIG $$$.
Just goes to show that idiots steel...
Anyway let us know how things go. I would be interested in knowing if or where the stuff shows up. Keep your spirits up I am sure your baby will get returned to you.

12-30-2003 Over year old.

Wes Crockett
Senior Heliman
Location: Bourne End, Buckinghamshire, UK.

No Dsilver, no news on the insurance yet as the loss adjusters won't be returning to work until the new year. I think it will be a few weeks yet before I know if I'm fully covered.

Incidently, the same thieves we think, tried to break into the next door neighbours house a couple of nights ago. They woke up at 3 in the morning to hear someone trying to break in. Unfortunately they didn't see any faces as they scarpered as soon as they realised they were rumbled.

Wes

12-30-2003 Over year old.

Drunk Monk
rrProfessor
Location: Preston, UK

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Well if more Americans carried guns and knew how to use them ,then maybe he wouldnt have had to start a thread on a stolen heli here

I think more Americans carrying guns would make bugger all difference really, it was stolen in the UK.

Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

12-30-2003 Over year old.

G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

3 words

"bowling for columbine"

nuff said..

Don't Email me as I wont reply - PM Only (spam countermeasures)

12-30-2003 Over year old.

Dsilver668
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunnyvale CA

So they must be local.

That is weird, I would think they are local then. Hitting houses in a row. Probably some kids from the area I would bet. Someone posted about putting up flyers. It actually might not be a bad idea.
If they are local, then maybe a parent might just find this sweet looking heli in their kids room, and wonder how they got it. At least it would put other folks in the neighborhood on alert, which wouldn't be bad. they would keep an eye out in the early mornings for anyone who should not be there or should be in bed...
I have had my car broken into a couple of times, and I know what it feels like. It is a violatioon and you just want to strangle the guy who did it.
Good Luck hope they catch him before you do..

12-30-2003 Over year old.

FENMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: CAMBS UK

Sorry about your loss, dont forget the yellow free adds are out on thursday,it may be worthwhile to buy it for a few weeks and just watch the heli adds and look for parts that would fit yours,or put a add in the wanted you know,, good cash payed
best of luck {i have a bad tempered staff that lives outside}

12-30-2003 Over year old.

RotorX
Key Veteran
Location: London

Weaselmeister

Any luck with finding your helis yet ?

12-31-2003 Over year old.

flipped2left
Key Veteran
Location: indianapolis,in.

i was at a party one nite out in the country,we were having a great time! drinking and whooping it up as most party's do,someone brought a rifle to the party,fully loaded,i asked him to leave it in his truck,which he did,now this rifle was sitting silently in his truck not bothering anyone,didn't even make a sound as if it wanted to join the party,now the owner decides he would like to pull it out and fire off a few shots. did the rifle object to that? no because it's an inanimate object.it has to be controlled by someone to pull the trigger to put the rifle in the action it was designed for but a trigger has to be pulled and that can be done only either by a human or other mechanical means which would also be controlled by a human. so in other words guns don't kill,, people kill using guns and i for one own a few myself only for defensive purposes and humting,,,survival,, and now they passed a law as to where the victims can sue the gun manufacturers what a crock!!! the guns don't kill!! it's the morons behind the trigger who does!!!

la la la la I can't hear you! la la la la la

01-02-2004 Over year old.

pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

Its EASIER to cause death or serious bodily harm with a firearm.

If the Columbine kids came to school with baseball bats instead , I don't think it would even have made it into the papers.

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01-02-2004 Over year old.

leadlag
Senior Heliman
Location: London

Bit of advice, if you live in England and a scumbag breaks in to you house at night to rob you and you hit him with a bat or use a weapon you can get done for assault.Our great justice system eh!

01-02-2004 Over year old.

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