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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > Phoenix 4 stroker in a fuse???
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Ok picked one of these up that has never been flown for 150.00 with the elecs and an OS48.
I am looking for someone that has experience with a 4 stroker in a fuselage.
I have a friend that is a century rep and he says he has had some overheating problems with his 52.
Also anybody ever changed the gearing on a Falcon/Hawk?
I am thinking that is the answer, but where to find gears.

Thanks
Jason

P.S.
The guy I bought this from has BRAND NEW assembled GMP cobra with a Super tiger 51 on it? Any interest??? I am putting it on E-bay for him in the next week or so. Maybe tonight.

Jason Stiffey
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04-05-2002 Over year old.
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

Have you flown the Phoenix yet? I was interested in getting a conversion later for the 52, and trying that, but I've heard it is underpowered... The 52 makes less power than the OS32... Any thoughts? I really like the sound...

Thanks, John Cadwell
04-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Well It flew.....

John,
I flew it today with disappointing results. I don't have the 52 I have a Surpass 48 in it. Got the whole shooting match for 150.00 never been flown.
It wouldn't lean out enough to hover without overheating. I am pretty sure I have some needles off, and I am only running 15% CP heli in it, but I also was told by the local rep who has one with the 52 that they do have an overheating problem.

I am going to give it a few more trys then out it comes and in will go a 2 stroker of some kind.

I am also thinking of trying the Magnum 60 if it will fit. Might be just the ticket with more power that you can run richer to help the overheating problem.

Oh well I have all summer to dink with it.
The good part is the heli seemed to hover very well. Nice and solid. Hopefully I will get it fixed and in that fuse. I too like the sound of the 4 stroke.

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-08-2002 Over year old.
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Chris Hinds
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Fitenfyr,

I don't have any experience with 4-strokes in helicopters, but the general consensus is that Coolpower 30 is the answer for a 4-Stroke. Certainly running 30% Coolpower in my OS 52 on a plank it gave me _lots_ more power to fly. I would try borrowing a tank or two of CP30 or buy a gallon and try again. Sure it will never have YS 80 levels of power but will be enough for a scale model I would think (i.e. simple, limited aerobatics)

Chris
04-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

4-Stroke

I have a four stroke (OS52) in a Schweizer 300 fuselage and it has logged a bit over 130 flights on it now (don't have my log book with me at this time so I can't be exact here) and have no overheating problem. I use 30% CP and an Enya #3 plug.

You will find that you will get the overheating problems etc, if you try to set the throttle curves the same as that of the OS32SX 2-strokes. The OS52-4 power to throttle opening is not very linear. At a half opening setting of the throttle barrel, it will not produce adequate power to hover when the throttle barrel is only opened somewhere in the middle. At half stick, you will find the OS52 will have to be set so the barrel opens about 70 to 75% in order to hover. Also at full open, it does not produce the power of the OS32SX (1.2) but more like the power of the older OS28H (about 0.7). Consequently I would not recommend it for use with any fuselage that makes the heli much heavier then the stock 6lbs or so (The Scale Schweizer only adds a few more ounces as it is basically a pod and boom heli). This is why the 32SX has adequate power when its throttle barrel is opened to 1/2 or less, and the OS52 -4 has to be opened so much more to develop hover power.

Phil
04-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Thanks!

Phil,
I found that out as I was test flying on Sunday. I am only using 15% and it just won't cut it. I also have the OS 48 Surpass so I am already a little behind the power curve. I am going to give the 30% a try this weekend and see how it goes.

If not out comes the 48 and I will try fitting a Magnum 60 in there. HE HE HE.....


Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-09-2002 Over year old.
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rcpylon
Senior Heliman
Location: Saltillo, MS

question?

has anybody tried larger blades or multiple gear ratios with a 4 stk. I know in an airplane, I could get a lot out of a big prop with less pitch but not much out of a small one with greater pitch. I would think that if you could hit the optimum engine RPM , probably around 11,000, that you would see a better performance.

I would also thry the 30%. At one time I was racing 40-50 sized 4 stks and we tried 30% instead of 15% one day. Man what a difference! They basically turned into whole other beast! they ran better and the planes flew a lot faster.

Just thinking out loud,

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Alan Warfield
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04-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

No go on bigger mains....

The local rep tried 600mm mains and said they wouldn't fly. Stocks are 550mm. The 30% is my biggest problem right now. I only tried 15%. Headed to the LHS to pick up some 30 in a bit.

I think the only change you could make on the mains would be to a smaller cord blade. That would make the rpm's stay up with the same pitch. I think you would loose effeciency, but not enough to really matter. Autos would be exciting to say the least, but I am just looking for a scale no fancy stuff ship anyhow.

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-09-2002 Over year old.
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fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

14T counter gear and cooling fan...

Anybody tried these for the 4 strokes?? Says they will fit and the couter gear claims a 7.5% head speed increase?
Sounds like a good addition to the 4 Strokes.

Yes I am determined to make this work!!! I need a good challenge.
Well besides putting my Sceadu back together after it's un planned marrige with Terra firma today. ALWAYS CHECK YOUR SERVO WIRES!!!!!

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-10-2002 Over year old.
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oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

4-Stroke

The Phoenix has a much lower gear ratio then the Hawk (9.78) or Falcon (9.0). The gear attached to the clutch bell is different. Giving it a 7.? (something, I can remember off hand) ratio
04-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Hmm...

Ok so based on that. Do you think the 14t will help?

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

14T

I do not have my manual at hand. If you have yours, please check, it may already have the 14T unit as stock.
04-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

HW3045...

According to my manual it has the HW3045 installed as stock. Heliworld list's that number as the 13t. The HW3045A is the 14t and according to the site is a "new" product.

Now if it will hover then overheat. The addition of 30% fuel and this gear change should get me into a decent head speed without overheating wouldn't you think?

Anybody good at figuring gear ratios?
Pinion 33t
Counter gear is a 48t
Main gear I have no clue. No listing in the manual or Century website
Drive gear Stock 13t upgraded 14t

I am going to order the 14t and give it a try along with the alloy fan.
My rep/parts guy will be back in town in another week so I can get them then.

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-11-2002 Over year old.
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the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

You want to sell that Phoenix and the OS 52 ?!?

the Wasp
04-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Not yet...

Wasp,
Not just yet. I am still tinkering with it. It also has an OS 48 not the 52 in it. That may be part of the problem.
If I can't get this combo to fly right then I may part with it and pick up something else to go in my fuse. Maybe an X-cell 30???

Jason

Jason Stiffey
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04-11-2002 Over year old.
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helisonly
Heliman
Location: Holland

Phoenix update??

Hello fitenfyr,

It has been a while, doe you have any luck with your Phoenix. I am interested in your experiences. How does the OS52 Run at the moment? What changes have you made on your bird.
12-09-2002 Over year old.
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fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Abandonded and sold....

Roy,
I gave up trying to get any amount of performance out of it with the OS48. The cost to upgrade it to an OS52 or to make it into a 2 stroker was too high.
I sold it and bought a Hawk Sport to use instead. I already had the engine and electronics in my Raptor Night ship so I just used those.
I wanted to start flying my Sceadu for night flying anyhow.

So far the 4 stroke thing is not too great. The local rep still has his but doesn't fly it much. I can get my OS32 to run about as quite and perform much better than his OS52..

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
12-10-2002 Over year old.
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