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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > WoW Fury Extreme ION see the Video
 
 
azdesertfalcon
Senior Heliman
Location: Happy Vally Oregon

Today was another great day .

Got too see the ION in action again
This machine ROCKS go to Jason Krause web site and see a vid it is well worth it ..
click on the link

http://jkheli.com/
12-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
bl092599
Heliman
Location: MN

Fury Ion

Yes, it is really impressive since it is electric. I think you will see the electric competition striving to catch up to the Ion, and with that, should hopefully bring electrics more so into the main scheme of the heli world.
I saw the prototype that Chris Stephenson (MA Rep) was working on in June and it was really impressive. Definitely had all of the nitro capabilities without the mess of glow. I am interested in an electric but I will wait awhile to see what will develop over the next year or so.

Steve
12-06-2003 Over year old.
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azdesertfalcon
Senior Heliman
Location: Happy Vally Oregon

It was cool

this machine is awsome
12-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Electrics are for people who hate cleaning helis...



Don't Email me as I wont reply - PM Only (spam countermeasures)
12-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Key Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

There was a video of the ION flying that I saw here on RR. I am impressed that an electric could do such things. The battery cost are outrageous!!

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
12-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
wiwanczyk
Veteran
Location: Old Bridge, NJ

all the forums are going to the craper ......

nothing is ever fast enough !! www.voy-tech.net [IMG]http://www.voy-tech.net/other/baner[/IMG]
12-07-2003 Over year old.
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ez-flier
Veteran
Location: Vermont

I'm with Colin 100%. I read azdesertfalcon's post before it got deleted, and don't see how thats advertising? Oh well, either way, it is a pretty cool helicopter, it does well, and i'm sure it'll go far.
Why is it that bateries cost so much?
Aaron

Century Rep
Magnum Rep
12-07-2003 Over year old.
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Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

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Today was a real treat at the field

But got in trouble so had to delete

not allowed to boast or advertise without paying for it


This is not the case. Who said you were in trouble?

Mark
12-07-2003 Over year old.
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azdesertfalcon
Senior Heliman
Location: Happy Vally Oregon

still here

Go look at the video
Bump
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Madman
Veteran
Location: Roswell, GA

Gonna be kickass but the batteries are going to be $350 EACH and you need two. You will also need to charge it in a nuclear fallout shelter or fire house as any mistakes with the charger will, basically, cause the batteries to catch fire. Want to charge in, say, 30-45 minutes between flights and you will need an 8 Amp Schulze ($400 more). Seems like it would take about 100 gallons of CP30 to break even.

This is what I've heard (not that I know what I'm talking about - just what I've heard). I STILL want one but I think I'll wait until mid '04 when they may get better/cheaper battery setup.
12-08-2003 Over year old.
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Wally
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Gassers are for people that don't like to clean helis!

As Madman said; the batteries are a killer. For hard 3D expect about one season on the packs; that's what I would go through on my old Logo 20 at $400 a pop....

Right now, electrics are for those that have even deeper pockets! But someday....


The Big Wally
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
hornet dave
Veteran
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA

And to think that people bitch about the cost of their Hornet's
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dannyfyl
Senior Heliman
Location: Miri, Malaysia

What happened to the Fury Gasser?
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Electrics are awesome, but I'm gonna hold out a little longer until the battery situation get better.

Chris
Rex 500
Burning them electrons :D

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
12-08-2003 Over year old.
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Futura SE
Veteran
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

Guys,
The Fury Ion is nothing that is SUPER exceptional. I have been flying a Joker CX which is all carbon and a all metal head. The Joker only weighs (in CX all carbon form) under 6.5 lbs all up minus packs. What impresses everyone is the stinking cells on the Ion. They are what makes it possible. I still fly nicads as the Joker sucks up to 65 amps under hard 3D and the Ion does too I'm sure. My Joker is powered by a Actro motor which is FAR better than a Hacker every dreamed of being. The housing rotates and the shaft is fixed. By the housing rotating you get a LOT more torque. The kicker to my Joker flying like that is $800+ worth of cells. A HIGH end charger that is way up there too. It is just like Jason Krause says, the cost is the hinderance. Try having a $1200 crash with the Ion and I have no idea what it will cost. A good crash gets the packs and there is $800+ right there before you ever look at the parts. There are packs out there better than ThunderPower. They put out even more amps. The guy with the temp gun said the temps if you listen on the video. At the temps he mentioned the motor is not going to last a long time as the magnets start to depolarize at 165+ degrees. The packs were real hot too. Too hot since there was no canopy and they were getting maximum cooling without it blocking any cooling. I wonder what the SC temps was. Probally out of sight. If it pops it is just like a flame out with a glow and YES, they do pop. The way Krause flys and the heat where he lives, he will pop them like popcorn.
I love electric and fly it a lot. I am not about to get rid of my Futura SE with YS 91 and MP II though. Reducing the pitch to 10 instead of 11 would do a LOT. It just would not have the insane velocity it had on the video. It still would fly like a scalded dog. The thing about electrics you learn fast is just becase you can doesn't mean you should. I can run 11 on my Joker with 700's too, but the SC gets too hot and I risk buring it up and since it is so cheap ($400) I'll just run out and get a couple.

Scooter Ross
HUI Robbe Rep.
Minicopter Factory Rep.
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

I dont think this is 'real hard' 3D on the vid. Well he does a few slow piroflips and a few tictocs but much of the time is easy flying. Compare that with for instance his 3D masters victory flight, now that's 'real hard'
Then, how long are thos batteries going to last? Peter Novotny (if I'm not mistaken) flew on 3D Masters a hornet [with lipo and I would say a bit more agressive than this vid], and he said that his batteries last some 50, 60 flights. Okay so you will need a new pack every 10 flying days!?! Go thunderpower!
12-08-2003 Over year old.
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DrScoles
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA

I want one! It looks like there is finally going to be an electric heli that can compete with glow powered helis... very cool Looks like I might have to hold off on a Christmas present to me.....

The thought of being able to run out to the field for a few flights without packing all the field equipment is very enticing.

Mike
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Futura SE
Veteran
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

I am very interested in the Hacker motor you are using then. I have flown a Hacker before and it did not stay up with my Actro. No motor I have ever flown has. The BIG benefit of the Actro is that since the housing rotates instead of the shaft it is self cooling. In other words it lasts a long time. The key to keeping the SC cool is not pushing insane amps through it. If I have to use throttle curves then I will never own a electric again. I understand what you mean as I assume the Ion was using a Schluze SC and they SUCK as SC's go. I have used them. The Actro SC unforunetly is desigend to work with the Actro motor only. I can be used with others as I tried it with a Hacker but it doesn't seem to perform well. The two simply don't like each other. It has a governor for it that you can tune three ways. I can not make my head speed move more than 10 rpms no matter what I do. It has a soft start function so you don't fold the blades back when you turn the gov on. Schluze's do not. You have to run a throttle curve in normal mode to prevent this and go to a gov straight line curve in idle ups. Stuff that would blow my YS 91 up it never flinches. You are correct in that if you hover at too low a setting on the governor (too low head speed) it gets too hot, but hard 3D gets it hot too. If you fly hard it is going to get hot it is just that simple. Pushing the amps through it gets it hot. Ambient temps have a lot to do with it too. The Fury Ion looks great and I SURE welcome Min. into the electric arean as I know they will pursue it with zeal, but guys want one thing. A electric that will perform like a OS/YS 91 and not kill them in cost to get it and have no drawbacks. Electris is a long ways from that. Flying one of these things is like owning a turbine. A lot of it is novelty right at the moment due to the high cost. A nice problem you run into after all of the purchase of the kit, cells, SC, motor and high end charger is the nuclear power plant you have to have at the flying field to recharge the packs in less than a hour or two.

Scooter Ross
HUI Robbe Rep.
Minicopter Factory Rep.
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ben74
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Beach, CA

jeez, there is a lot of misinformation in this thread. for starters, those temperatures mentioned in the video are completely normal. the motor is not going to die at 165F. also, actros (and other outrunners) do have more torque than other motors at a given gear ratio, but the hacker setup in the ion is using a very high gear ratio (about 22:1) which gives the motor some extra mechanical advantage. hackers like to run at high rpms, and when setup correctly, can produce just as much power and torque as an actro.

about the charging: you do not need a $400 schulze charger to charge the ion's packs. the ion uses two separate battery packs connected together to form one big pack. you can buy two astro 109s for $110 each, and charge the packs off a regular deep cycle battery at the field. the packs will take about an hour to charge to 90%, and and hour and a half to charge to 100%. charging to only 90% will save you time at the field and still provide plenty of flight time. if you have two sets of batteries, you can charge one while you're flying the other. that would give you a 10-15 min flight about every half hour. i don't see many glow fliers flying more often than that, even though they could.

the batteries do seem expensive, but if you calculate how much it would cost to fly 300 flights on a fury extreme, the cost per flight is about the same as the ion. you can get about 6.5 flights on an extreme from a gallon of 30% nitro. if you figure $20 per gallon, then you're paying over $900 for those 300 flights. the difference with electrics is that you pay all your "fuel" costs upfront.
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

Well said Ben.....
12-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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