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Off Topics > Do you use a governor?
 
 
King Cobra
Veteran
Location: Virginia. USA.

First to set your thottle curve, mixture, etc... for fast decend until there's no overspeeding maybe by riching up bottom needle, hover needle or modify carb, adjusting the pipe and header , etc.. it's depend on what engine . Not to worry if it change as little as 50 rpm.
That where all the fun and challenge is. Then decided if you still want to to use the gov.
Do a climb up tail or nose stand funnel to see how hight you could go before your engine bog down, figure 8 ff doesn't tell you much.

If choose to use a Gv1 ( not sure about TJ ) then a fast speed servo and a long servo arm ( around 80 ATV ) will help .
If you want the engine not to bog at full deflect on both stick. Get a 90 engine then set IDL1 = -9 to +9 with 5.5 on the cyclic. THH would then be around 80% + 20 % more on the full cyclic .
IDL2 = -11 to + 11 is a lot of fun with 6-8 on the cyclic but do need your stick management.

C.T
12-06-2003 07:29 PM
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Genty
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottish Borders

I've been using the throttle jockey for around 4 months and have found it very helpful. Although it cant give the engine more power it manages it much better than I can set up throttle/pitch curves (although these are still there for back up). Sidewards loops caused severe bogging down before but are brilliant since fitting the governor. A relatively inexpensive way to increase the wow factor of your flying.
12-06-2003 10:12 PM
 
 
Screwball
Heliman
Location: Northants UK

Use a governor? So many for and so many against for what ever excuses or reasons if it works for you use it. As for me I have one without and one with so I`m edging my bets and trying something new with a Trottle jockey on my 3DNT. So far so good. Yes I hear the words don`t be lazy and use the curves. But I am, that`s why I`ve use a JR10X and a csm560 on it... I`m lazy and like flying, sod the curves. For the purists who don`t subscribe at all to a governor no matter what .Do you still use a mechanical giro ?and wouldn`t use anything else..
Progress goes on and equipment gets better.. If you don`t like it don`t use it..But you never know till you try
12-06-2003 10:37 PM
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

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Wait .......

Is this ALISTAIR guy the same one who posted about how he could setup a heli to hover , hands free , for the WHOLE tank of fuel ?

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If so , I think that I am not going to read this thread anymore.

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By the way , LMAO !!!!

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NB : If you're at the stage of FFF and figure 8s , you do not need to get a Governor. Please point this out to the newbies. Governors are meant for situations where loads upon the blades change very drastically , ie , for example , 3D flight. Even if you're doing mild 3D , ie , loops , rolls , flips , you still do not need a Gov since a basic V throttle curve and +9/-9 pitch curve setup will see you through.

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Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.
12-06-2003 10:51 PM
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

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Oh wait , I did a search and YES , its ALISTAIR , the one with the magic heli flybar setup that can have your heli hover hands free for the whole tank !!

Its here :-


http://runryder.com/helicopter/t73612p1/


But that crafty plonker , he went and deleted all his posts about that subject !!!

LMAO !!!!
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I can't stand this ....... i am laughing my head off !!!!!!!!

LMAO!!!

hehahahahehhhwehahahahhwhhahhahahah. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.
12-06-2003 10:58 PM
 
 
spool-it-up
Senior Heliman
Location: Oakwood Hills ILL..

I have gone the regular setup and tried the GV and will never be with out it.


John
12-06-2003 11:13 PM
 
 
Vertical Limit
Senior Heliman
Location: Pennsylvania

Pistole,

Thats funny he can setup his heli to hover hands free the entire tank.

LMAO

What an ------------- you fill in the blank
12-07-2003 01:10 AM
 
 
King Cobra
Veteran
Location: Virginia. USA.

Ade

With or without Gv the engine still need to be adjust accordingly to the extreme change in the weather, altitude or climax. Often that doesn't take any longer than a click or two on both of the needle and leave your curve alone.
Setting up a thottle curve doesn't take me longer than 5 minutes. Lot of time I punch in a % thottle curve and mixing % after gettting the consistence head speed on the climb out .
Governor is nice but If I could do without one then one less thing to go wrong.

C.T
12-07-2003 01:29 AM
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Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

first of all... if you actually read, i stated that that was an exaduration.

second.... my only point was there is no way that your heli will NEVER lug.

if the weather changes and all of a sudden your curves aren't right there is obviously some adjusting to do.

with a governor... weather changes... you don't really notice a difference... i do not think if makes up for anything. i think it just simply masks what is going on.

why do you keep trying to attack my flying. i never said i was good. in fact i think i am the most terrible pilot on the planet. i still haven't
-perfected- the hover.
12-07-2003 07:05 AM
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

Hi Alistair.

Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.
12-07-2003 07:08 AM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

what?
12-07-2003 07:09 AM
 
 
Vertical Limit
Senior Heliman
Location: Pennsylvania

Quote 
second.... my only point was there is no way that your heli will NEVER lug.


Intersting thought, Wonder how the great ones do it. HHHMMMM maybe the engine with the right pipe and the right tuning with the right flying skills.

Ya I can Lug a Jet engine Alistair too if I tried to wheel it through 100 Tons of Steel. You are so completely missing the point now, Go away.
12-07-2003 02:55 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

Using a tuned pipe is nice, IF you can get it tuned to the rpm you want to run at. But it leaves you little option if you decide you want a different rpm that is outside it's range. Then you have to deal with it going on and off the pipe. I prefer a broadband muffler and a GV-1. I have my rpm select on a knob and can dial in anything from 1600 to 1900 rpm for whatever I want to do.

As for curves vs. a governor, which do you think defines a curve better, three or five points (more if you have a 9z or 10x) or an infinite number of points?
12-07-2003 03:16 PM
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bluefronted
Veteran
Location: South Africa

gov's the best thing since eccpm , makes setups so much easier and lots of time savings
12-07-2003 04:22 PM
 
 
circuitman
Heliman
Location: Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, UK

I use a Throttle jockey in my Raptor 30 (makes set up soooo much easier when you have little experience) but not in my scale ship.
12-07-2003 08:56 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

why not one in your scale?
12-07-2003 11:23 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

Vertical Limit Quote
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second.... my only point was there is no way that your heli will NEVER lug.
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"Intersting thought, Wonder how the great ones do it. HHHMMMM maybe the engine with the right pipe and the right tuning with the right flying skills.

Ya I can Lug a Jet engine Alistair too if I tried to wheel it through 100 Tons of Steel. You are so completely missing the point now, Go away. "


ok you meat headed ****-sack. my only point was your engine never stays withing 50 rpm of what you set. none of us are that good. you have said that your heli dosn't lug one bit when you go FULL cyclic and FULL collective. that is just a load of bullock. UNLESS you have 8 degrees collective, and 5 degrees cyclic. but even then, it would still drop more than 50 rpm.

what do you mean how the ones does it. you are a blithering idiot. thousands of people do it every day. i thought this was common knowledge. obviously i was wrong.

now i know why your governor works so magically... you are one of those people who has a 100% sensor reading... lol

good god...

paraquat
12-07-2003 11:39 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

right... jet turbine. ok mate, that was just stupid.

you can't lug a jet turbine. unless it had some mixture problem. it is a turbine. therefore it would always make the same amount of thrust at full throttle. with 100 tons of steel or whatever silly thing you said... all it would do is either be anchored there, or not pull as hard. but it would still make the same abount of thrust.

i have friends that are jet-liner pilots and when i say... how was your day mate. they have never once said... blimie! it was terrible.. i just could get our turbines to stop lugging. hmmm... and that is with a full load. you know something they don't i assume. lots of discovery channel i take it... lol

the last i really heard of a turbine lugging was from WWII with the ME 262. too much throttle to fast, it would lug then explode. too little throttle to fast it would choke, sieze, then explode. lovely design. wish i had one like that.
12-07-2003 11:51 PM
 
 
3D-RC
Senior Heliman
Location: NY

You guys are ruining this forum with you attitude. Maybe you need to step back and think about how serious you take this stuff. Big boys should be able to disagree without being so disagreeable. Pathetic.
12-07-2003 11:51 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

all i said was there is now way the heli NEVER lugs. he thinks otherwise.

then he began attacking me and my flying. which has nothing to do with anything. either way, i don't car. but alas... he is still wrong.
12-07-2003 11:53 PM
 
 
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