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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > ARCAMAX Quirk??
 
 
Trace
Senior Heliman
Location: Wildwood, MO

Alright all you closet ARCAMAX users. I just put an ARCAMAX PI with the 2700g option in my LMH100+ and something funky is going on or maybe not. You tell me. With the rudder servo (Hitec HS-81) plugged directly into the receiver and ATV's at 100%, full stick deflection results in full servo deflection. Now here's the odd part. With the servo plugged into the gyro and ATV's at 100%, 65% stick deflection results in ~120% servo deflection in Normal Mode. To get the servo to respond to stick deflection close to the stop, I have to turn the ATV's down to 65%. I am running an Airtronics Infinity 660 with airtronics fm reciever, all the pinouts for the gyro plugs and servo plug have been properly changed to match. The gain pot on the gyro is set at 75%, the gain in the radio is set at 60%. The toggle for the 2700g servo is set to normal not 2700. I haven't flown this setup yet, so I don't know if it behaves properly in the air. The gyro came out of a Baron S with a 2700g servo and was working properly, though this particular issue was not specifically checked. Any insight would be appreciated. TIA

Trace
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Trace
Senior Heliman
Location: Wildwood, MO

DavidH
So why does ATV less than 60% give me less than full stop servo travel in normal mode sitting on the bench? If it is only commanding a rate shouldn't I still be getting full servo deflection with say an ATV of 50%...

Trace
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Futura SE
Veteran
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

David,
That is the Pi Pro. I still fly one in my Futura SE as it holds like a rock and if it ain't broke don't fix it you know. But anyway, I had one of the others and yes David is right. Yuo discovered the same thing as me. It was my first gyro, much less HH. The ATV's only control piro rate. This is exactly normal and the gyro is wroking perfectly normal. IT is a great little gyro for sports flying. Nothing to program, nothing to go wrong. The only thing you could mess up is reversing the gyro. I learned to fly on one. Those were the days. I used to think learning fly around was hard. Wait till you try climbing funnels!!!

Scooter Ross
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

I've still got a PI in one of my models somewhere.

I never use it in normal mode since I can never be bothered to adjust the tail linkage to trim it.

However, I suspect that the overtravel in normal mode is something they did so you didn't have to set the rudder rate in your transmitter way up to get decent yaw rates.

The rudder input from the receiver to the gyro only controls yaw rate in HH mode. In normal mode, it controls rudder servo position, as with any non-HH gyro.

Normally, with normal mode gyros you set the rudder travel in the transmitter so the servo will over-travel on the bench. In the air, the feedback from the gyro as the model yaws will reduce the servo travel, keeping it within the mechanical limits. In this case, if they didn't boost the travel, you would have to change rudder rate when switching modes. I would guess that the amount of boost is not enough to cause binding when the model if flying.

You could try marking the pushrod with something that rubs off where it goes through a guide and see how much get rubbed off in flight when you give max. rudder input if you are worried about binding.

With the Arcamax PI 2700, you adjust the length of the servo arm in HH mode to stay within the mechanical limits of your tail rotor. There is no travel adjustment in the gyro.
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Trace
Senior Heliman
Location: Wildwood, MO

Thanks All for the info.
I was under the impression that the ATV's in normal mode on an ARCAMAX actually set the endpoints, but apparently it works just like a 401 setup but without endpoint adjustment other than linkage geometry.

Trace
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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