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Dsilver668
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunnyvale CA

12 gauge stil brings em down in a hurry.

EMP devices are cool yes, but a 12 gauge is still a good stand by.
I still think the guy should be band for life from any field. I can't believe he would not be at least AMA certified before fly. I really feel sorry for the first guy that he winds up running into.
12-27-2003 05:20 AM
 
 
ofnamp
Heliman
Location: Port Ludlow WA

That would be nice if you could get a his/her EMP machine

It would have made a nice xmas gift for the misses and I.......lol
12-27-2003 05:42 AM
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

Call the police and report an assault with a deadly weapon and attemptive murder. They'll be out there real quick. A helicopter with blades spinning 1500+ RPM within 10 feet of you is a deadly weapon, and a person spinning up blades like that in that environment is attempting to murder someone.. whether it be themselves or you.. =P

If they lip off, call the cops. I'm sure the cops would be more then happy to tell the guy to find somewhere else to fly... People like him are going to make it to the point where even RC pilots will have to get a RC pilots license from the FAA... While in a way it's not a bad idea, it kinda sucks too.

Our club has many rules in place specifically for this situation. Piliots must have AMA to fly at our field. If a Pilot wishes to fly at our field and is not a member of our field, they must be a guest of one of the members, and they can only be a guest once or twice per year without having to sign up for a membership. Those who sign up for a membership get a "student" membership (even if they are already experienced pilots) until they fly in front of our president or a few of the other instructors in our club that can certify you. In the mean time, you are only allowed to fly buddy boxed with an instructor.

This way those who "know how to fly" but can't seem to keep the helicopter from hovering over their own head/the pit area can't fly without an instructor, and the instructor can take the heli out of harms way before it gets dangerously close. Those who know how to fly but don't do proper inspections of their equipment (which is part of our standard safety rules) will not be rewarded a solo membership either, and will need instructors to go over their setup with them, until they learn to follow those procedures.

Student cards and solo/instructor cards are each a different color, so a student's card stands out, and before you turn on your radio, you need to hang that club card on our frequency board wall in the frequency slot you are using so that it is reserved for you and you don't turn on when someone else is using it or visa versa. It stands out when someone is using a student card, so if someone notices a member with a student card about to go to solo, they can question the person etc...

Regardless of a setup like that, everyone at your field should be in essense a safety officer. If you see someone doing something that's unsafe, bring it to their attention. Some people don't realize how dangerous some of this stuff is. Educate them. In the situation you had, obviously they didn't give a rats ass otherwise, and that's when they become a safety issue for themselves, you, and everyone around you. I'd say that's a good time to call the police. People like that are usually the same kind of people that will come to the field drunk and try flying their helicopter while drinking.

While confrontations aren't always the greatest idea's, you gotta do what you gotta do, and if they are putting people at risk, something needs to be done about it. Not only that, but if they do hit someone/something with their helicopter, they can get your club shut down. We have some power lines at our field that have been hit twice so far that I know of. $10,000 fine each time they are hit. We are very conciencious about those power lines as you can imagine. If you are a member and hit those lines, your membership is revoked for a full year, and your insurance/you need to pay for the replacement of those lines. We have to show the company that owns those power lines proof that the person has been removed from the club as they want to know on paper that action was taken, or they could have our club shut down with ease.
12-30-2003 05:42 AM
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kauaison
Senior Heliman
Location: Alameda, CA

KICK PILOT C's @SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-30-2003 05:55 AM
 
 
ShuttleJock
Heliman
Location: Norman, Oklahoma

Mid Flight Chewing out

Yeah, this is a sore subject out at a field that I used to be a member of. Most of the modelers are fixed wingers and hate helo bubbers. They also have their little cliques of giant scale, sport pilots, pattern and IMACers. It is like little Washington DC with all of the politics.
One day at the field I started the heli in the pits and carried it out to the grass about 10 feet away and lifted into a low hover to taxi to the north end (where they designated helicopter operations) of the field before climbing to pattern altitude. A guy tapped me on the shoulder and ordered me to "take it way the hell over there!" When he did he startled me which not a good idea when someone needs his undivided attention.
I don't feel that I threatened anyones safety, but after the flight the guy treated me as if I had pointed a loaded weapon at him. The only person within 75 feet was me. Yet he was visibly shaken and really pissed. I took his advice along with my membership dues and operate at a local park on the Soccer field(when there are no games of course). . If you feel threatened call the person by name ask them to set it down for a second this is a lot safer then "bitching them out" in mid hover, tell them that some people are feeling nervous about them operating so close and then ask them to move their operation to a different area. Then everyone is happy.
01-23-2004 04:26 PM
 
 
XLr8r
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern California

Sounds like the guys around a local park we have here. Most are genuine assholes. If its a plank field basically, you are going to have trouble there almost always.

We have a soccer park here also, it is the prefered place to fly, at least we only have a few assholes there, much better than at the plank field.
01-31-2004 07:23 PM
 
 
Duracizer
Senior Heliman
Location: Oak Ridge, NC

Glad to see I'm not the only one who's noticed the attitude that Heli pilot's seem to get from Plank pilot's...

"It's not REALLY flying"

"If your just getting into it - don't! Get a plane instead"

"They are too complicated to have fun with"

The one local field I have restricted heli flying to 7:30am - 9am and then it was plank's only....

Chris.

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03-01-2004 04:23 PM
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IncredibleITGuy
Senior Heliman
Location: Portland, Maine

posts

After reading some posts about using guns and weapons, I wonder who is more off the "rocker". Plenty of dangerous people to go around.

I fly Airplanes and Heli's, and luckily, even though I am the newest member of my club and thefirst heli pilot of the bunch, I have been
accepted. I usually fly down @ one end of the runway that remains unused. Still have to watch out for the low flying newbs w/ trainers.

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03-05-2004 08:19 PM
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Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

Always sucks to have your $2000 heli taken out by a $200 trainer.. =P Especially if you are just learning, and can do just as good of a job crashing yourself... =P
03-05-2004 08:30 PM
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IncredibleITGuy
Senior Heliman
Location: Portland, Maine

LOL

Well luckily I have been flying heli's for a few years. Whenever I see one coming now, I just punch the cyclic straight up. CLEAR!!!!!!

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03-05-2004 08:33 PM
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Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Call the cops and the field will be closed. Somehow the guy has to be made to feel unwelcome enough that he won't come back.

When I was part of the team that managed the Compton club field (predesessor to Carson) I bought a 9Z synth for just this reason. Anyone remember Young Lee? His favorite stunt was to crash in the pits, repeatedly. He stopped coming before I got pissed enough to try out the dirty deed, though I did fantasize about it a lot. I just wasn't sure when to pull the trigger to guarantee a safe (and beautiful) crash.

God likes Stet (and the other unnamed officers), that's why no one was killed at Compton.

So many insane close calls. Then on Sundays for a while the mexican rodeo was running and we had a crowd of families standing on the pits perimeter. Aside from grabbing kids that would run out into the field, the worst was one guy that would fly toward the crowd and turn out about 15 feet from them. How F'ing insane is that. One guy was hit in the back by his locked out 60 as he turned to run away, and I think the number of stitches was on the order of hundreds (four big slashes). One guy flew into a lamp post that only seconds earlier had someone's kids standing by it. One guy flies into the power lines over the metro rail (quote: "that'll be a fine"). Another guy dives for the deck as his heli just misses his head and crashes next to him. Oh, and I almost forgot we were in the landing flightpath for Compton airport and one really good pilot use to like to do super high autos, when a plane flew UNDER his heli one time we had to put the kabosh on that too, even though we had spotters looking for planes, just took too long for the heli to come down.

When Compton was shut down (thank god for that too), the club went back to it's roots at RPV where we have a small field. At least there we excercise total control and have city granted badges, signed safety acknowledgements, and a locked gate. Any cr@p like that described gets a call to the Sheriff to remove the trespasser with the full blessing of the city. Even with all that it is still tough to keep things safe. The latest is my insistence that a minimum distance of 25 feet be maintained (it is in the AMA rules).

Couple ideas come to mind:

Don't joke about guns, but pepper spray (or foam better yet) comes to mind. How about a "Super Soaker" filled with the famous "Carson Bottle Drop Fluid"? Or my favorite dirty trick, the 2 part "skunk scent" liquid stink bomb used by bowhunters. Does wonders on the air intake vents by the windshield wipers.

Thus my tagline below. OK, I'm done venting now. MG are you enjoying this?

keepin' it real
03-08-2004 09:36 AM
 
 
crash1953
Veteran
Location: Washington State

Our club has a 70 member limit and and we always have people who want to join and fly there on a waiting list .As saftey officer I would have thrown him out one way or another at our club.Then I would have taken it up with the club executive committee and his membership would have been terminated ..We have very strict rules and he would have had to sign a statement when he joined that he would follow all rules at the field .There are people in our club who dont like the club membership limit ,but the longer I am there and the older I get , the more I think the limits are well worth it .. We can examin all potential members long before they get to join and if we dont think they will fit in ,they dont get to join the club when there is an openining..In the meantime they can fly with a member only as a guest and if there is a problem it will show up usually long before there is an opening..
04-14-2004 05:34 PM
 
 
NYJR13
Heliman
Location: New York City, New York, USA

What is up with all the anti helicopter feelings by pilots. My friend is an ex military vietnam pilot, and he HATES helicopters, all kinds, says they arent really flying. Even out at my club or floyd bennet, the airplane pilots are VERY prdjuduce. I was taking a lesson (real helicopter) the other day, and the tower was a complete a** to me and my instructer, allowing like 50 planes taxi out in front of us. I asked him, and he said, oh get used to it, they say it must be "all clear" for a hover taxi. If anyone is elitist shouldnt it be US, I mean a plane is ridiculously easy to fly, they heli is the complex challenge that they cant do.
I fly planes and love them both, just the planes were not enough of a challenge for me.
04-14-2004 09:35 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

04-22-2004 04:40 PM
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