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MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

Sky Photo aka Kona 77 aka Rizzo aka whoknows..

http://runryder.com/helicopter/p416...y+Photo#p416111
11-11-2003 Over year old.
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R Hudson
Veteran
Location: Waukesha, WI

Sky Photo.

You seem hard to please.

Do you have any examples to show?

I would like to see them.

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11-11-2003 Over year old.
 
 
cmartin
Veteran
Location: Kouts IN

Hey John

Can your 30 sized carbon mount be adapted to fit a gasser? What restrictions does the M1 30 carbon have over the pro mount. Mainly thinking about photo work. Thanks!

Chad

And BTW Sorry for biting your head off about the insurance situation, I guess I got cought up in the moment
11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Smithprod
Veteran
Location: Oklahoma

Hey Chad,

I use John's pro mount on a gasser and I'm about to buy his electric setup with the 30 size mount. I don't know if it will fit a gasser or not, but one difference is there's no pan on the 30 size, tilt only. Since this is going to be for stills only, I feel this is not a big deal at all.

I've been VERY happy with the pro mount, so I know the M1 30 will be just as nice.

Brad
11-12-2003 Over year old.
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HawkEye SkyCam
Heliman
Location: Iowa

Andrew
Midwest HeliCam
The web site looks great. I was a little nervous too, I put weights on the front of my mount that was equal to my video camera and got used to flying it around. Then all my excuses were gone, so here we go. Shooting video is a lot of fun and with the airfoil set up it is a piece of cake no tweaking no vibration problems just hook it up and go here is my first video
http://hawkeyeskycam.com/TESTONE.wmv

have fun be safe
Tim
11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
HawkEye SkyCam
Heliman
Location: Iowa

Chad
I use airfoils pro mount on my gasser too. Brad is right the M1 30 does not have pan but I think it will fit the gasser give John a call.

Brad
I have the Voyager 50 Electric and the M1 Carbon 30 mount
it is awesome your going to love it

have fun be safe
Tim
11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
flyboy
Elite Veteran
Location: California

I am putting my money on the Airfoil systems as well. Some if not the best footage & pictures that i have ever seen. Great support as well.

Money well spent!
11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
R Hudson
Veteran
Location: Waukesha, WI

Hey Sky Photo......................

Why don't you offer some video for us to look at?

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11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Andrew
Senior Heliman
Location: Peoria, IL

John Ohnemus,
This is Reggie's Partner and Pilot Andrew. We have done a few jobs and are starting off slow with the still shots so far. I've got the video camera, but right now just shooting home movies of the kids with it.

For those that keep ribbing us about the 120X digital zoom, take it up with Sony. The specs are right there on their website.
Sony TRV-19


-Andrew
[URL=http://www.midwesthelicam.com]Midwest HeliCam[/URL]
11-12-2003 Over year old.
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JohnC
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Location: East Yorkshire, England

The camera used was a TRV900. The specs at .http://hardwarecentral.dealtime.com/xPF-Sony_DCR_TRV900 show the maximum digital zoom at 48X.

I did a measurement on my monitor of the pillar on the right hand side: it was 11mm before the zoom and 55mm after.

Assuming the size of objects increases according to the square root of the zoom, this gives a final zoom of 25X in the clip.
11-12-2003 Over year old.
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HawkEye SkyCam
Heliman
Location: Iowa

Hey guys who cares what Zoom it is 6 times 12 times 24 times it doesn't really matter . The point is that this system allows you to zoom and still maintain your video quality.
I have a job coming up soon, part of it is in forward flight. I will post a video clip of it.
Shooting good video hovering is harder to do than when you are in forward flight

have fun be safe
Tim
11-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
AcesAreWld
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ Shore

My Video

Wow..
you ladies sure can bitch and moan. Is my Mother secretly on RunRyder? (JK mom)

Ok, here is some RAW, unedited video I have. I took these clips directly from the tape, so there are no changes or tweaks. There WOULD be changes and tweaks if they were used for real.

A little info in this. This was the FIRST attempt to shoot a moving car with the gasser heli, I did it YEARS before with the RaptorCam, but I hadn't done it in a long time before shooting this video. The pilot/cameraman/chase-car-driver/subject-car-driver comminucation existed, but was not as clear as I would have liked, there was no "plan" or "shot list" or anyhting, just go out, drive, do what I say. The video is NOT perfect. Its shakey, bouncey, etc. A storm was coming (we had to stop cause it STARTED RAINING while shooting) and winds were an issue. Also, you try flying a 23 lb heli SMOOTH when U are standing out the sunroof of a moving car! Almost 100% of the bumps, jitters, etc are my fault. The non-smoothness is pilot error cause I just need more pracice and plus look at the conditions (Wind, standing in a car, etc)

I have video with NO camera man that is smooth just like John O's mounts. The problem I have is a crappy servo on my pan and tilt mount (biggest problem is tilt) and there is slop in the tilt axis as well. After cleaning that up, and then adding gyros (got 'em, just need to install 'em) to the mount, I think it will be pretty good. Also, with more practice and communication getting the skids/heli in the shot will not be an issue anymore.

Please, questions, comments, suggestions.. tell me, post them here.. but don't bitch and moan and say "I am better than you" and act like babies. I am NOT saying I am the best, I am not saying I am the worst. I am saying I am trying, here are some of my results. Can you help me make it better? Then tell me, thats what RunRyder exists for! Lets try to help one another be the best we can be.

I'm re-working the final edited version of the promo that uses some of those shots, It'll be up soon.

The link:
My Raw Heli Chase Video (VERY VERY VERY Low Quality)
(about 9 megs, 10 mins worth of video, VERY low quality)

Thanks,
--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
www.rchelicam.com
11-13-2003 Over year old.
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R Hudson
Veteran
Location: Waukesha, WI

Great Video!!!

I understand there is some unwanted movement, but those shots are great!

I think the final edit would look great. Lots of useable shots there. It's just too bad it was overcast that day. Now, if we could only control the weather as well.

Excellent job, especially considering the weather factors.

Could you post some video in which you shot and flew yourself?

What heli and camera was used for this?

Nice job!

By the way, I agree with you. Let's not get so hung-up on technical issues.

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11-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
HawkEye SkyCam
Heliman
Location: Iowa

Aces Are Wild

Nice flying. Lots of useable video I agree you need good equipment but most of all lots and lots of practice. I have not flown out of a sunroof yet it looks like fun. Actually, that might be easier then riding in the back of my truck, I have to try that.

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I have video with NO camera man that is smooth just like John O's mounts
can you post this I would really like to see Do you control the camera while you are flying or just leave it fixed

What program are you using for your editing I noticed the skids on the heli have no vibration and your editing looks good. In your gallery your edit set up looks expensive I am really interested in what program that is, you did a great job.

Nice work, keep on posting

Have fun, fly safe
Tim

PS. way to bring it to the table a lot of these ladies cannot do that
11-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
R Hudson
Veteran
Location: Waukesha, WI

Hey HawkEye..............

It looks like Apple's i-movie(vers. 1 or 2) for the video editing program. I'm not sure about the rest. I'll just let "Aces" respond about the rest.

By the way, HawkEye, what are you using? Just curious.

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11-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
AcesAreWld
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ Shore

Thanks Guys...

Hey Guys,
See, now THIS is how we should be talking to one another (of course, most feedback was positive on my raw video) Even if it were negative, as long as it’s constructive, it’s cool with me!

I thank you all for the nice comments and feedback, and invite more of both positive and negative. I am working on another 10 min clip of more raw footage for comparison. This footage is the other stuff from the gasser that is NOT from the car-chase day. The footage includes my testing phases, where I had 1 vibration mount on each side, 2, 4, 5, and tried one thing after another to get the best video I could. So some of the video is very "shaky" (like flying over the peach fields) because there were not enough vibration mounts in there, and the camera was free-floating too much and got wobbles. Good thing I did the math on the sheer-weight of those vibration mounts or the camera could have gone splat :-)

I also have SOME video in this one I am working on of FAST FAST FFAASSTTTT forward flight. My cuz/cameraman and I were at my flying field and he said "go as fast as U can, I'll track you".. I don't recall how much of that footage made it into the clip I am working on. I have video of the skids as I made turns, and they go past the horizon, I was pulling Geoff-Style turns where I turn the aircraft 90 degrees, and pull up.. HARD. I wanted to see how the camera mount held up in HARD HIGH g-force conditions, and it did great. The mounts didn’t bend or flex, and the camera didn't get pulled or drift from the G-forces. After I finish encoding this next raw clip, I'll make a clip that U guys asked for of the no-camera man fixed camera tests to show how smooth it is, and I'll also put in the FAST INSANE forward flight clips to show ya.

Now.. Hawkeye
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What program are you using for your editing I noticed the skids on the heli have no vibration and your editing looks good. In your gallery your edit set up looks expensive I am really interested in what program that is, you did a great job.


R Hudson was right; it is iMovie for the Mac. Here's my editing deal. My old videos for RC Helicam (with the Raptor) found here:

Old Promo (scroll to bottom of page)

Old Del-Sol project (scroll to bottom of page)

and
In-progress new promo

Those were made with my old roomies G3 333mhz Mac powerbook. It worked JUST fine using that and iMovie, cause all I needed was the ability to isolate and merge audio and have cross-fades. That's it, so iMovie was perfect. Plus his machine was (at the time) the only machine that had FireWire in it @ the apartment. So instead of using Adobe Premier, Final Cut, etc, I just used what was THERE and EASY. iMovie was perfect.

Now, the old roomies are gone and along with them their computers.. so I went and bought my own G3 333 from e-bay cause I knew it would do exactly what I wanted. My other PC's could do it, could use premier or other progs, but I wanted the ease, simplicity, reliability, etc of the Mac. Plus its dedicated JUST for video editing and all 20 gigs of internal HD are used for that. (plus external FireWire HD too)

So that editing setup in the pic (I will post more editing pics soon) is this...
PC Laptop -- I edit all the songs with that using SoundForge.
Mac Laptop -- Edit all video there, firewire comes in there
Linux Desktop -- use for random tasks, gotta be on gAIM with it, play MP3's, and that’s about it for the video editing tasks

Everything is connected, so the audio from the PC Laptop and/or Mac, and/or camera can come out the large desktop speakers (or wireless headphones to same my roomies form goin insane and killing me), and the video from the Mac comes out on the camera (firewire) which is connected to the TV card on the Linux Machine that displays full-speed full frame raw DV on the large monitor. That’s pretty much the setup; I'll show pics of the wires behind the computer station in a little while. nuts!

Well, I have babbled for a while now, and forgot if there was anything else I had to say.. Time for a quick spell check (like I know how to spell, HA, I'm the MTV Generation) and get back to work on the raw video part II to show ya guys.

Be posting more soon, and THANKS for the comments guys
--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
www.rchelicam.com
11-13-2003 Over year old.
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AcesAreWld
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ Shore

More Raw Video

Ok,
Here it is... this is part 2 of the Raw video. It is very dark, but that is what happens between the Mac -> PC conversion, and the fact that I never put any filters on it to brighten it up... (again, its literally raw right of the camera, then shrunk like MAD for web quality)

These shots are mostly taken during the testing phases of the HeliCam, putting more and less viberation isolators in the mount. Lots of tweaks and tests. None of the shots are planned, its just whatever was happening as we were shooting. The fires, cars, etc.. are all just lucky timing.

I am looking at this footage on an LCD screen and its dark, so it may be REALLY REALLY dark for some of the CRT monitor users out there... U can adjust your monitor brightness if you want, but I wanted to put up RAW RAW video. Some of the shots have been used in the promos, after some work was done to them (This is the promo with some of the shots ).

Again, comments, suggestions, questions are all welcome. I hope you enjoy it and it inspires people to go out and have fun and get some footage. Send some comments my way!


Video Link:
Raw Video Part 2 8.3 megs, 7:36 mins, very low quality.


ps -- here is the camera ship I am using. People asked in previous posts. Its a JR Z230 with a 100% scratch built custom pan/tilt/roll mount.
Gasser Images


--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
www.rchelicam.com
11-13-2003 Over year old.
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Flying Scot
Heliman
Location: Scotland

Sky Photo

What equipment are you using? Do you have pictures or a website showing it.
11-25-2003 Over year old.
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AcesAreWld
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ Shore

no cameraman video

Ok Guys,
It has been a while since I posted, sorry about that... but here is the video some people had asked for from the Gasser Camera ship with NO CAMERA MAN. This is raw unedited video with no effects or tweaks done to it. The night I shot this over the summer was a VERY VERY VERY humid night, and you can see the condensation on the camera lense and the moisture in the air. Dispite this thick heavy air, the 23 lb camera ship still flew OK. It is going to be lightened up this winter/spring to allow for better flight performace, however.

Again, this is RAW video to show how smooth the can be when the camera is not in motion. The largest problem with the mount right now is the slop in the tilt servo making for less than perfect video. I hope this helps some people out by inspiring them to shoot some video and improve their own systems. Again, this is just a test video, not anything production or anything. I'm not saying my system is the best, or better than anyones or anything, I am simply stating it is a work in progress and here is what I have so far.

Also, knocking down the quality of the video really made this clip a LOT worse. The flickers, some blurry parts, and the darkness are a result of taking DV quality video down to only 125 kbits/second.

Now, the link:
http://runryder.com/helicopter/gall...ow_qual_wmv.zip
about 10 mins, 9.26 megs, very low quality w/ no audio.

Please, questions, comments, suggestions WELCOME!

--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
www.rchelicam.com
11-29-2003 Over year old.
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AcesAreWld
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ Shore

HARD camera ship flying

Ok.. now that you have seen my smooth, boaring video (previous post), shots from a moving car, camera mount tests, and more.. its time to see some INSANE flying. This video was when my cameraman Mike Grossman said.. "Just fly as fast as you can, I'll see what I can do". I flew the 23 lb gasser camera ship like I fly my Raptor 50... ok, not QUITE like that, but I would turn the heli knife-edge, and pull up (HARD) in order to turn around. Like I used to make my airplane turns. This video was NOT to be smooth, it was NOT to be gentle, it waws NOT for production. This video was to see how well the camera mount and helicopter would hold up to a BEATING. Its shakey, its insane, it may make you puke.. but its FAST. Remember, the camera man knows he can only turn the camera a little over 360 degrees before the wires start to bind, so he was unwinding it every time I would get it wound up from flying figure-8 patters across the field.

Notice in the video how you will see the skids go up PAST the horizon, that means the heli is tilted around 90 degrees when I am making those turns. This is just fast, insane, nuts test flying, its meant to show you guys what the heli and camera system can take.

I hope you enjoy seeing a camera ship getting put thru its paces.

Now, the link:
http://runryder.com/helicopter/gall...ing_raw_wmv.zip
about 5 mins, 9.1 megs, very low quality w/ audio.

Please note, for some reason thru the many encoding process I put this video thru the audio got kinda messed up. You will hear it shutter and break up. This is form the cmoputer, not from the camera or helicopter. When I watch the TAPE in the camera, the audio is smooth and does not break up. The engine is NOT missing, it was running 100% smooth the entire time. Just so everyone knows, its the FILE that has that, not the heli or camera.

Please, questions, comments, suggestions WELCOME!

--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
www.rchelicam.com
11-29-2003 Over year old.
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