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Clubs and Associations > How many here are AMA members? and why?
 
 
Twobeers
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

Member of MAAC

For the insurance plain and simple. Both clubs I belong too are well within the flying range of a self piloting aircraft and busily travelled roadways. It is nice to know that I would have some finacial protection if something should ever go wrong in this society which is only to happy to sue at the drop of a spec of dust' literally.
02-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

AMA?

I'm confused I know that's nothing new. There is no mention that I can see anyway about M.A.A.C. only kicking in after my homeowner's policy is exhausted. Maybe I'm missing something.

I see many of our US buddys talking about AMA only applying after their homeowners insurance is done. Are the two groups that much different? I know that with M.A.A.C. you are on your own if you fly ANYWHERE other than a sanctioned field. I don't see how an insurance Co.(homeowner's) can give blanket coverage for an unknown risk.
Like a school yard or any other public space that has been mentioned several times? How could they write a policy on a place like that without knowing the all the factors and risks?
If they would write such a policy wouldn't the premiums have to be astronomical?
02-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gjsinke
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, GA

I thought AMA insurance was only in effect AT a sanctioned field? Someone tell me if I'm wrong.
Jim
02-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
deckerv
Veteran
Location: Wellsville, NY

Right on DavidH

According to the AMA safety code, DavidH is right. There is no provision stating coverage only at AMA sanctioned fields.
02-22-2002 Over year old.
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gjsinke
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, GA

Thanks...that's good to know...now for that permission!!
02-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
miataguy
Veteran
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Why?
1. Insurance
2. Discount at AMA functions
3. Required for Fun Fly registration
4. Bathroom reading material

Official RunRyder Googlewhacker!
03-07-2002 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Raptorite
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Profficiency

Hi all,

As Moose mentioned earlier in this thread, here in the UK, most flying fields require every pilot to be a member of the BMFA, in fact part of the normal anual club membership package includes BMFA membership.

For example, the anual membership fees for my club is £52, that includes £30 club membership and £22 BMFA membership.

I joined the BMFA independantly, so I know I always have it and can fly anywhere I wish (with permission of course). I sometimes use a field donated to me by the farmer and boat yard owner where my narrow boat is moored. That way, I can go back to the boat to warm up and make any adjustments to the heli in the boat out of the cold. Which is especially appealing this time of year !!

Now to the real point of this post, part of the BMFA membership is the level and competancy scale, which is a bit like a basic or advanced driving test for aircraft, including heli's.

You can choose to take the "Rating" tests if you wish, and have to get the local BMFA examiner to take you through the test.

Once you pass each test, the ratings are added to your BMFA membership record, so you don't just get the insurance.

Do the American and Canadian equivalant's have the same sort of scheme?

Cheers,

Peter.
03-07-2002 Over year old.
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mighk
Heliman
Location: Boise, ID

Proficiency...

That opens a new can of worms... as far as I know, theres no proficiency levels in AMA, other than what you accomplish at competitions. That doesn't get recorded against your membership as proficiency level. For us heli folk, however, you can elect to join the sub-lobby of AMA, called IRCHA (International Radio Controlled Helicopter Association - www.ircha.org), which DOES have a pilot proficiency program.

Plug for IRCHA:

Now, there's even MORE debate as to whether IRCHA is worth the dues, since there's no insurance or magazine, and you end up having to join the AMA anyway to fly at events and such. But the AMA started somewhere, and the only reason it is where it is now, is because of the membership. If we get more people into IRCHA, maybe we'll have a big enough voice to ween ourselves from AMA, and pay one less membership fee. (subject of another post)

Mike Underwood
AMA670450
IRCHA1550
Boise, Idaho
03-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

hey are ther any RC electric heli clubs in N.J?

Mark
07-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

never mind

Mark
07-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
michaelmillikin
Senior Heliman
Location: Granite Falls NC USA

ama

its simple its a good thing
07-17-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Trap
Senior Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, North Dakota

Became a Life member many years ago. AMA seems to be the only thing gettin' in the way of those who just can't get by unless they've taken something good away from someone else. I appreciate the "good fight" the leadership has put up over the years. Just wish they hadn't gotten away from the DC area or the mobile NATS sites. The mag is only as good as we make it. If more heli news is warented, they'll print it. Ball's in our court.

Keep the whirly things whirlin'.
07-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

What has AMA done for you? Nothing, I guess. Just that crappy insurance that allows you to fly at the local field. Other than that, who cares, right?

The 50 frequencies we use in the 72 MHz band are a direct result of AMA's lobbying effort with the FCC. Without those efforts, we might still be flying those 7 or 8 frequencies in the middle of the CB radio band and getting shot down by someone "with the pedal to the metal", or on those 5 or 6 channels up in the original 72 MHz band -- and sharing them with cars, boats, and other RC stuff. Obviously you weren't in this hobby when the wrangling was going on with the FCC, or you would remember. (And you weren't one of those waiting your turn to fly when there were only a handful of available channels).

The narrow band requirements that came along with our 50 channels @ 20KHz spacing would have never happened without the AMA and its technical committee. The radio manufacturers had to develop some decent, selective, and drift-free radios to meet those new requirements. For those of you who flew RC prior to the "1991" narrow band radio days -- the reliability of the equipment just wasn't all that good.

As for "people with lots of money" pushing us out of the frequency spectrum with their pagers., etc...have YOU done anything personally to convince the FCC to let us have these 50 channels lately? Don't think so. AMA has.

Those 50 channels ARE shared with commercial pagers and industrial control systems now. Again, the AMA managed to negotiate for our piece of the spectrum. They fought (and fight) the battle for us.

Who lobbies for us with regard to modeling and the FAA? AMA has done a very good job there as well, keeping their hands out of our hobby to a large extent.

AMA is currently working with Congress and the Department of Homeland Security -- including trying to convince the airport security people that it's OK to ship model helicopters, airplanes, and all the stuff we need when we fly to go to various contests. It's my understanding that it's an uphill battle trying to ship your stuff on a plane when you travel. AMA is working to smooth out those bumps.

Don't forget that model rocket motors are a hot topic with some in the Homeland Security Act -- and that the entire model rocketry sport could be doomed by this legislation. Are YOU doing anything with your congressman to avoid this modeling disaster? AMA is working with Congress and the Dept of Homeland Security on this issue, too.

There have been recent reports in the news that RC models -- especially airplanes and helicopters -- have been targeted by the same zealous folk in the Dept. of Homeland Security. They see our sport as a menace in the wrong hands -- capable of delivering death and destruction on a grand scale. AMA is working with the Congress and DHS on heading off this threat, as well. I'm sure you've been working with them by writing your congressman on this issue, right?

And yes, being an AMA member is required at almost any organized airfield, and almost all of those operated by local, city, and county governments. It's because the AMA and its insurance program goes a long way towards convincing potential flying site owners that they will have insurance that protects THEM from OUR mistakes. Next time you go out to negotiate for a good flying site, try to convince the owner that YOUR insurance will cover HIM for YOUR actions. Or that HIS will cover HIM for YOUR actions.

Sanctioned events, competition events, all under the auspices of the AMA have led to more technological advances than you might be able to think about. Engines, materials...who would bother to try to get the technical edge if there were no recognized, organized competition?

Don't forget the various world record events and our tie-in with the NAA and the FAI that we benefit from, as well. Shoot, we modelers are even a part of the EAA's annual Osh Kosh fly-in. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the AMA being involved.

If you really have to ask "how do I benefit from being an AMA member" simply because you never had to use that insurance (secondary or otherwise), you simply don't understand how it is we got to the level of techical sophistication and competition we take for granted today. You are short sighted, and not thinking much farther than the tips of your fingers.

As to that "crappy insurance." True, it is a secondary policy, and you have to exhaust your homeowner's policy first. Have you had a heart-to-heart talk with your insurance agent lately and specifically asked if your homeowner's liability policy applies if you drill your flying machine into someone, or someone's property? You may be surprised at his answer. In many cases, that "crappy" secondary policy becomes the primary one.

If you despise the publication "Model Aviation" that much -- do yourself a favor -- donate it to a local school or Boy Scout troop or hey -- give 'em to you family doctor's office. (Wouldn't you rather read a year old copy of "Model Aviation" in that waiting room than last year's "Time", "Newsweek", "People" .... well you get the picture). The school and the Boy Scouts would appreciate it (you would get some recognition), and you might get some RC converts at the doctor's office! Hey, maybe by donating the magazine to a charitable institution you could write your AMA dues off on your taxes....I wonder?

I've been an AMA member for close to 30 years, and there were times that I, too, "just paid my dues because the club required me to." Not any more. I was in my late teen's then. I've grown up. I've learned that everything is not "about me".

I appreciate what the AMA has done for this sport in the past, what they are doing at present, and hope they will be there in the future. We need them.

And if you were to splinter off to form your "own" organization, how long before YOUR members start asking what have YOU done for THEM lately? What would YOUR annual dues be, and where would you buy that insurance coverage for your members? Would you have your own publication? Would your members consider it a worthless rag?

And frankly, if you're really into flying RC helis these days, the yearly dues for an AMA membership is just noise compared to what you've probably spent on your choppers, your radios, your crashes.

I just spent about $1500 on a new Hirobo Freya, JR 8103 with digital servos, OS 70 SZH, carbon blades, muffler, gyro/servo. That's in addition to the two Caliber 30's and Venture 30 I currently fly. (Not to mention the dozen or so airplanes I fly on a regular basis, or the dozen or so helis I've owned in the past).

How many heli crashes have you had? How many did you willingly shell out much more than $58 for new parts?

I believe the $58/year AMA dues are a drop in the bucket compared to the actual costs of this hobby. It gets you a place to fly (wherever you go), a monthly magazine so you can actually keep abreast of what is going on in the sport, and in the AMA itself. It gets you someone to fight your battles in Congress and the Federal bureaucracy, and you get a decent number of RC channels to fly on so that wait at the field for a clear channel isn't all that long.

Dave
AMA 5180
09-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

With respect to the total number of monthly pages cover helis in "Model Aviation".

How many pages of Heli coverage do you get monthly in "RC Modeler", "Flying Models", "Model Airplane News", "Scale RC Modeler", "Back Yard Flyer" and all the rest of the commercial mags?

I sure seem to see a lot of airplane related stuff in those magazines. Shucks -- even nasty boats and cars get covered in those rags. And Sailplanes? Gad! They must be crap, too, since they don't devote at least 20 or 30 pages a month to helis.

Helis are only a small PART of the RC sport. I don't see page after page of Formula 1 pylon racing, Control Line Carrier, Peanut Scale, Indoor, Giant Scale....coverage in any of those magazines, either. I guess those special interest groups think those mags are bad too.

And again, have you contributed any articles, letters to the editor, photos, helpful hints, or advertising to those "other" mags? Or to "Model Aviation"? Didn't think so.

But you do pay those other guys their yearly subscription fee, and readily, don't you?

This and my last posting are much more than my two cent's worth, and that's about all I wish to contribute to this topic. I will sit back and watch the slings and arrows fly. I won't be drawn in any further.

Dave
AMA 5180

Freya
Cal 30 x 2
Venture 30
09-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
weber
Heliman
Location: Owatonna, Mn

Well said and written.

Dave,

You have done a terrific job of availing to everyone the benefits, I too have come to see the bigger picture.

Keep the faith.
09-06-2003 Over year old.
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MStanley
Senior Heliman
Location: W-S N.C

Club Field Requirement

Our Club requires us to have it.....

IRCHA was an OPTION....
09-17-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
George Matthews
Key Veteran
Location: N.W. Ohio

Dave all those things you listed are what we are paying the AMA staff to do in our behalf. You make it sound like they are doing us a favor.

George Matthews
Team MRC/Hirobo
Team Wildcat Fuels
RCPrecisionHeli.com
09-24-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Airman98
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Illinois

I compete in competitions and you have to have AMA insurance.
09-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Trap
Senior Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, North Dakota

Actually, the members are paying the staff to do those things. The people who benefit the most are the folks who get to fly "for free." Now, who do they thank for that privilage?
09-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Trap,

Paying the staff to do what things? And is that bad? You must be volunteering to do that stuff for free? I'm sure they could use the help.

Who gets to fly "for free"? And where? Under what conditions?

Your post is vague, contains innuendo, and insinuates that something evil and unfair. It also sounds as if you are bitter or envious of someone, or something.

Dave
09-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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