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Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > Poll: Should aerobatics be required?
 
 
Prolodoc (passed)
Senior Heliman
Location: Cookeville, TN, USA

Ok..Lets have a poll! I just want to try out this function anyway!

I saw an adult one time.....I was not impressed....I refuse to grow up....
10-14-2003 Over year old.
 
 
jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

What do you mean by this poll? AMA Waiver?? for????
10-14-2003 Over year old.
 
 
optikaman
Veteran
Location: EnglishTown N.J.

waiver ?

This is a poll for the suggested flight requirements to recieve a rotary wing turbine waiver.....

And i would have to say yes to the poll.


Alan...
10-14-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Airman98
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Illinois

It seems to me that a loop, roll and auto are very basic and I would hope anyone wanting a turbine heli could do these basic skills.
Tim
10-15-2003 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

and this has WHAT to do w/ flying a
turbine?

another fine example of completely
inapplicable thinking and rulemaking
for the sake of rulemaking.

A friend of mine is an incredibly smooth
pilot and doesn't like aerobatics. For
some completely worthless reason, he
wouldn't be able to fly his turbine the
way HE wants to?
10-15-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
cloudmax
Senior Heliman
Location: Bay Ridge Brooklyn,NY

I sure as HELL don't want to do these moves with an NH-90.
Slow scale flying.
10-15-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

The point of doing the aerobatics is that you show that you can control the heli when it gets into unusual orientations.

The first time I had to deal with an inverted heli was just after I was confidently flying circuits, as you might expect to see of a conservatively flown scale model. I lost it in back lit clouds after running a bit wide at one end of the circuit.

By the time I had orientation the heli was inverted. I had no idea what to do, banged the stick around in the hope that something good might happen and planted my trusty Shuttle a foot into the ground.

Being able to deal with loops and rolls would have gone a long way to saving the situation.

The point I'm trying to make is that you need to remain in control when things go wrong.

Obviously, autos are very handy in the case of flame-outs, broken drive shafts and so on. I've had to auto my Jetcopter twice. Both times were non-events, but could have resulted in bad fires had I not been able to auto.

Even if the aerobatics were not necessary, I think autos are a must.

Note that the manoeuvers are recommended, not mandatory. If the CD feels you are safe you can be signed off without performing any aerobatics. Safe means that you will alway fly in such a way that you can avoid bad situations. E.g. if the CDs trust you to only hover your turbine at waist level there is no need to see any manoeuvers except the hovering and an emergency set-down.

Also, the flight demonstration can be performed using a .60 size helicopter. In fact, you can't use a turbine heli for the demonstration. You only fly your turbine after you have your waiver, and you can fly it any way you want. Some are content just to hover around, others fly as hard as the model can.
10-15-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FalconPilot
Senior Heliman
Location: upstate, NY

Is a turbine more dangerous than a 30,60, 90, or gasser? Isn't this a hobby? Don't we live in a semi free country? If the AMA wants to licence turbine piots, why not any other chopper that runs 800mm blades? or shorter blades at higher RPM? Or fast piston airplanes?

IMHO, a person that flys a turbine, or any other chopper, that does not have good controle, will soon be chopper-less anyway, thus ending the problem of regulation.

Just my two cents

Chad
11-03-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Peter Wales
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando Fl

This is here again huh!

IRCHA is your special interest group at the AMA. I suggest you all join IRCHA and then fire off e-mails to Ron Kummer expressing your feelings and get him to make a representation to the AMA to get things changed. Certainly whining about it on here will do no good whatsoever.

Peter Wales
11-04-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
heliVoY
Veteran
Location: NJ

Peter !

as usual, you have come back with an appropriately sarcastic, but very correctly phrased reply well done



Wojtek
11-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Helijet
Heliman
Location: B.C. Canada

Sorry, I have been flying R/C helis since 1976 and went through all the in / have to master flight routines. This is the age of 3D but as for orientation and flying a turbine I must respectfully disagree that a loop and roll is necessary. The concept behind the waiver is to prove that you are safe in the operations of a helicopter / mechanics / radio systems. Present turbine mechanics are larger birds / heavier and need to be built properly. At most I would recommend that the flight routine involve:

stationary 15 second hover
slow forward flight figure eights
piroette
nose in approach to hover
tail in circle around pilot
auto

If you can do the above then you can easily fly a turbine powered helicopter.

Dean Wichmann
HotCat turbine builder / operator
11-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Peter Wales
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando Fl

Wojtek

When I got my first turbine, it seemed very unfair to me that a turbine pilot needed to have to pass his driving test and yet any kid can buy a piston heli and fly it upside down 2" off the ground with a headspeed of 2200 rpm.

However, now Sandy is actively promoting a 3D turbine heli and the Jetcat version is capable of some 3D stuff with 800mm blades at 1400 rpm these turbines have moved away from the scale only application they had 2 years ago.

Even so, is a turbine heli any more dangerous than a piston heli? I doubt it but in the light of the AMA's experience with turbines, their insurance company probably thinks they are.

Anyway, it seems those who are complaining the loudest are those who cannot meet the requirements of the test. These people need to do something about it and they have 3 choices.
1) Learn to fly better and past the test
2) Get IRCHA to do something for them
3) Do nothing and dont fly a turbine, but please stop complaining about it if thats the choice you end up making.

Peter Wales
11-04-2003 Over year old.
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Prolodoc (passed)
Senior Heliman
Location: Cookeville, TN, USA

What???

Hey Peter....

Like you, I have been flying helis for about 30 years and have absolutely NO problem flying 3D. I just wonder why you would be made to stress your heli if you really dont want to. But I have found that you can do the demo stuff on any .60 size heli, so that negates that.

Also, some folks just dont want to loop and roll a heli and thats fine. Autos....Yes......Steep stall turns....Yes...Unusual attitutes.....Yes...

Oh well, I have stirred it up this time lol.

And yes, My jetcat will do 3D...Both of them..

Later, and many thanks for the spirited discussion!

Prolodoc

I saw an adult one time.....I was not impressed....I refuse to grow up....
11-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
optikaman
Veteran
Location: EnglishTown N.J.

Prolodoc wiwanczyk tells me that you have some questions about my H500, if so ask away. I will give you what ever info you need.


I don't understand why you guys are bitching about doing rolls and loops, these are easy maneuvers and any one with years of experience in flying r/c heli's should be able to do them. these are basic aerobatic maneuvers and If you are unable to perform them maybe your flight skills need to be updated.



Alan...
11-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FalconPilot
Senior Heliman
Location: upstate, NY

Thank you Peter!

For some reason, I had forgot about the insurance thing. I have no problem doing more than the required maneuvers. That is not the issue. I just feel we are regulated to death!

Just one more card I will have to carry in my flight box!

Chad
11-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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