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Off Topics > California Grocery Strike
 
 
helimike77
Senior Heliman
Location: Rowland Heights, CA

Im asking all CA residents please shop anywhere but VONS ALBERTSONS or RALPHS. Please support a fellow heli flyer. Although the media only talks about health care cuts there is much more than this. Stater Bros along with any of the independents are available as alternatives for shopping.

If this last too long I might have to sell my Fury.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sceadu
Senior Heliman
Location: Corona, CA

I am in the same boat. Do not rely on the media for your only source of information, as their is much more behind this.


"Our goal is to narrow the gap in every single negotiation without exception."
--Steve Burd, Chairman, President and CEO of Safeway


Does that sound like someone you want to support?



Mike, your making too much if you can afford that fury
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Well, if your not being treated fairly, why not go get a job somewhere where you will be paid what you feel you are worth?

The answer in almost every case is deep down you know you are already getting what you deserve and the proof is that you can't get a job anywhere else for more money. if you could you would wouldn't you?

So since you can't, you are going to extort more money out of your employer by threatening his business and intimidating his customers until you get what you want even though you don't derserve it.

It would be highly inappropriate for me to describe to you just how low I think this tactic is. If you don't like it, don't work there. nobody owes you a job or a salary. YOU must earn it.

If you can't get a high enough paying job that's your problem pal. Get an education or develop a skill or two and things might change for you.

Until then why not let the owners of these businesses run thier companies the way they like and you are free to start up a company to run the way you like.

If you do that, you can set the wages and the policies and if someone doesent like them they are not forced to stay.

When 13 year olds were forced to work in the mines for 10 cents a week there was a need to orginize labour to fight this abuse. We know have minimum wages and labour laws, nobody is being treated unfairly anymore unless they choose it, they are always free to walk away if they feel otherwise.

modern day UNIONS are just fronts for greedy people to extort money from people trying to make a business successfull. Unions are scum......

-eSmith.

P.S. next time place this crap in the off topic area please.

http://www.edmheli.ca
10-12-2003 Over year old.
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eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

P.S.: Before you ask for support from other Heli pilots did it cross your mind that a grocery store employee that can afford to fly heli's must already be doing pretty good?

sheesh!!!!!!!

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
10-12-2003 Over year old.
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Sceadu
Senior Heliman
Location: Corona, CA

First of all, I already have an interview on Monday to get out of that hell hole.

Are you by any chance in management of a union work place?
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So since you can't, you are going to extort more money out of your employer


We are just trying to keep what we have, not asking for anything new. This is what many people must not understand. New proposal is nothing but take aways.

Just trying to let people know not to only rely on the media. Looks like you are one that got sucked in.

If I do end up getting a new job during this strike, I will still go to the stores and picket to show my support because I know what is really going on.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
helimike77
Senior Heliman
Location: Rowland Heights, CA

First of all if you are not in this position how can you even begin to understand. You truly feel that getting paid for your work is extorting money from your employee. If your current employee came to you and said we are axeing your benefits, capping your wages, and taking away your vacation time, and then replacing you with someone willing to work for less you would be happy and bend over?? Is that what you must earn?

We dont want extra money just to not loose eveything that we already have.

I do have a degree but if you noticed CA job market is not very good.

You do not have to be rich to fly RC helicopters.

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P.S. next time place this crap in the off topic area please.

It may affect my Fury therefor it isnt off topic!!
If i didnt place this "crap" in the main discussion you might have missed it and not been able to give your long winded opinion. You even came back for more. And besides isnt Canada full of these scum unions????????

Thanks for your support

Mike
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

First, I am in management but we are 100 % non union. My home town was a union town, I had to leave to find work. There was no money left in the area because manual labourors were getting paid outragous amounts and produced nothing for so long the businesses went bankrupt and pulled out, sure the government took overt for a while and kept paying these incompetents. They have been getting so much for so long they now believe they are worth it. Yes, I have a hate on for unions but it has nothing to do with being on the other side of the table from them.

Next, companies exist to make money. Those that put the effort into starting one and making it sucessfull and grow have an obvious interest in getting as large a return on the initial investment as they can either for themselves or in some cases it's a responsibility to the share holders. Either way the are trying to maximise gain. All companies do this, there is nothing wrong with it, if you don't like it go join the socialist revolution. Those of us happy to live in a capitalist democracy will accept this as a fact of life.

Employees, as a matter of fact, have rights also. You do not have to work towards making someone else rich. you can start a company of your own and work towards enriching yourself. you can hire others and together get rich, you can pay all your profits out to the employees if you like and make no profit, All at your own discression.

Look at this for an example. Your selling a car. I want to buy a car. I offer $1000.00, you want 2000.00. We do not agree on the price of the car. You say fine, someone else may want to buy it for the amount you are asking. I get a baseball bat and stand at the end of your driveway and threaten anyone who even looks at the car. I spread stories that the car might not run very well, I refuse to let you deal with others who might want the car until you give it to me for what I want to pay for it.


Would you call a cop? That's how I feel every time I see some union scumbag not worth the money he gets already, picketing for more than he deserves. It's extortion, plain and simple.

If the situation sucks so bad where you work, quit, if it's so bad for everyone else they will quit also and the place will close because nobody is there to open the doors.

What I suspect is the reality is that nobody will quit because no matter how bad your claiming it is the employees already know there is nothing better for them anywhere else. Also, if they quit I bet they know they will be replaced in a heartbeat by people who would gladly take the job being offered.

I've witnessed first hand the corruption that occurs in unions. To me it is no different than the mafia. A bunch of thugs looking to profit from intimidation.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
10-12-2003 Over year old.
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Kino
Veteran
Location: Navan, Ireland

I have to say you make a strong point

Why do we fear change, one of the two certainty's in life
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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"I do have a degree but if you noticed CA job market is not very good"
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Then your in no position to negotiate, maybe you'll even have to go as far as I did and move to a place with a better job market. Truth is, I'm far better off because I moved, sure I could have stayed in my $8.50 and hour job the last 8 years and maybe even got it up to about $12.00 by going to extortion route but That company is such a small player that I would have to own two of them to get paid what my current employer gives me.

If my current employer came up to me and asked me to take a pay cut, I would refuse. If he tried to force it on me, I would go find employement elsewhere. As for my fellow employees, I suspect most would do the same. Maybe some wouldn't but I can't be expected to compensate for the bad decisions of others. I would never picket on thier behalf. I would instead offer them the advice to cut thier losses and get out of there.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
10-12-2003 Over year old.
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Sceadu
Senior Heliman
Location: Corona, CA

If there was no union... on this contract we would probably be new hires will top out at 6.25. Why keep the guys that have been working there for so many years, we'll fire them for going a minute over their break, comming in a minute late. There is no reason to promote, or keep current employees when they can promote a new hire. Its not as black and white as you see it. Union or not, what the employers are doing is just wrong. Many people will quit because of this, hopefully myself as well. I am going to spend this break looking for a new job. Many people are a few years away from retiring, and they are also getting screwed. I guess you can say, its not personal, its just business. Ethical? Who cares right?
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sceadu
Senior Heliman
Location: Corona, CA

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Then your in no position to negotiate


We do have the power to negotiate, and its not that we can threaten to go out and find another job. Just watch and see how they operate without us.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
peterpiper
Heliman
Location: Reno, NV

I guess I'll just be buying my stuff from Wal-Mart from now on. They have cheaper prices too.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sceadu
Senior Heliman
Location: Corona, CA

He just posted this to let you guys know... probably thinking, what can it hurt, might get a little support. One of my friends said "You guys do make a lot, but i'll support you in what you do." This post was not supposed to create such aggression.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
helimike77
Senior Heliman
Location: Rowland Heights, CA

Exactly Sceadu

I just figured this was a good way for people to see this is affecting their friends and family as well as themselves. Wasnt expecting the first reply to be a union basher. For those of you who honor our lines thank you,

Mike
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
spiff71
Heliman
Location: Elyria Ohio

lol as a union member for about 10 years now I feel a little slighted, hearing how unions are just overpaid scum who get more than they deserve.I did not have the chance < and maybe not the brains> to get a college education. But I'll tell you what, No One, and I mean NO one can tell me I do not earn the wage I get. My work is Dangerous and Hard and no one else wants to do it, maybe thats why I make so much.
Maybe the phrase "unions are scum" is a bit much, least I think so.
But I guess unions are the only places that are corrupt, all the other buisnness around operate above boards with out any "bad seeds" in them.
10-12-2003 Over year old.
 
 
helimike77
Senior Heliman
Location: Rowland Heights, CA

I think some people are just jealous because they are in a management position and make less than us union scum do.

Luckily so far it seems that a majority of our customers support our cause and honor our lines.
10-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
AtomHeartMother
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Ohio

Don't eeeeeeeeeeven get me started....
First of all, I seriously doubt ANY company has ever closed because employee wages were too high. No.....it's just that a board of corporate fatcats may have had to cancel one of their dozen country club memberships when times got a little tough. They then put their spin on things and make it sound like the employees have ruined the company.
It's all about an unwavering profit margin gentlemen. That's why our recession has lasted so long. Corporate greed has done more to hurt global economies than any other factor. How much is enough....it's never enough in "their" eyes. And don't be fooled all you college educated managers out there....they'll screw you for a dime just like the rest of us.
Now to play devil's advocate... They own the companies..they should run them how they want...true. They should be able to take in whatever profit they want...true. They should be able to control their workforce to what ever end...true. And in a way, this is what's happening.
One factor not taken into consideration here(because the phrase is DEAD in our world market) is moral responsibility.
Greed has turned the capitalist world into a bunch of blood sucking vultures who'd eat their own children if they thought it'd make them a buck. That is a fact. You can debate this all day long, "spin" it how you like....but when push comes to shove the working class is already "dead" in the eyes of a rich man today.
Soooo...let's all get back to flying our foreign" made in a sweatshop" heli's and have fun !
10-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

Perhaps that is the case helimike

I got my BS in four years, and I worked as an electrical engineer for a year right out of college. In a casual conversation with one of the general maintanence workers, he made a comment about how I had to be rich to be flying helis.

Salaries came up, and were compared, and the guy who paints lines on the roads where I worked made twice what I did. I went to school, I bettered myself for four years, and it didn't help. The manual labor around the facility was performed by union workers.

So now I'm living as a student again to obtain a masters degree. Hopefully someday I'll approach the salaries of the people I was managing.

Thanks, John Cadwell
10-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
flipped2left
Key Veteran
Location: indianapolis,in.

excuse me. what about enron? as far as i know it wasn't the union(if they even had one) that screwed the employee's but it was the management!!

la la la la I can't hear you! la la la la la
10-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
cmartin
Veteran
Location: Kouts IN

helimike77

So what is keeping you from going out and finding another job? Your Pride? Also doesnt the union PAY you for being out holding those signs? I am in the Labors Union In Indiana here and I know that I am paid very well for what I do, almost too much. Doesnt it tell you something that a person going to college and getting a Masters Degree makes less than a guy who has his card. To me, I actually feel a little guilty and a shamed about that .There are some days I am not proud to be in the union. They spoonfeed you so much crap and try to make you think you deserve the high wages and that if you dont get it then you fight for it. Its all stupid. Greed has a big part in it. I am in a family owned union business which consists of laborers, truck driver, and operators unions. The stupid rules I have to follow like I cannot run a machine because Im taking away a operators job and yada yada yada, Piss on it all, I will do it anyway. I dont care if a guy has to sit in the hall. Makes me so upset to have to put up with that childish BS. Anyway sorry for the rant.

Chad
10-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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