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JWBurns
Veteran
Location: The Lone Star State, Dallas Texas

NO Baja - Mark does not need the help - You just stick to moderating your boat dock or whatever site you mentioned and we''ll all be just fine. We DONT want to turn this site into another RCU and have the RC natzi's squashing all of our comments.

Moderators were the dorks in the halls of the school house who would hound you everytime you went to take a piss We used to throw guys like that in the trash cans

Jason
10-14-2003 06:14 AM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

ja1010, are you for real? Firstly I didn't called you a crook. I did say however for all you who attacked me and called me a crook to F#$% yourself. My poor mouth unleashed after all the attacks from people like you. Your post says it all. Not only did you attack me you attacked the people who was helping. Then you come back and mock me about where has the engine gone. Then you think you have the right to judge!

New yorkers you got to love them
10-14-2003 06:16 AM
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Rawlie
Senior Heliman
Location: JHB

Charge - backs

Hi all

This is a general post relating to all Internet purchases by R/C enthusiasts.

I have just read this thread and would like to share with you what I recently discovered about a topic called CHARGEBACKS , which is the bane of every Internet seller's existance.

Basically, consumer laws (in the US and all over the world) regarding purchases made over the Internet with credit cards (VISA/Mastercard/AMEX etc) are way in the favour of the buyer.

A chargeback is where a seller, fairly on unfairly, debits a consumers credit card with an amount, and the buyer then complains and gets the charge reversed. If the consumer goes to his/her bank and contests the charge, there is more than a 95% chance that you will get your money back, even if the goods have been shipped, even if they have been delivered!!

There are in excess of 60 reasons why the buyer can ask for the charge to be reversed, including but not limited to:

- the goods were damaged
- the website misrepresented the goods
- I don't want the goods anymore
- the goods never arrived
- I never placed the order etc

You get the picture. Now, if a buyer goes directly to the seller with a dispute, the seller can reverse the charge without involving the Bank. If the buyer goes directly to the Bank, the bank will reverse the charge plus charge the seller a (normally) $15 - $20 "admin fee". Plus, for Internet sellers, if more than 1% of their Internet sales turn into Chargebacks, there is a very good chance that their ISP will terminate their web account.

So, if you approach a seller with a problem, and he is not offering much help, uttering the term "chargeback" may well get you very rapid results.

I'm not suggesting we use this info to strongarm internet retailers, only in exceptional cases.

I can dig up more information on Chargebacks if there is sufficient interest, but this is the gist of it. I know most of us shop online, so its always a hot topic.

Any questions?
10-14-2003 02:55 PM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

ja1010, What a guy! Good one chap! You're the man! When I grow up I just want to be like you! Two thumbs up buddy yah!

Should I even bother
10-14-2003 03:41 PM
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Danny R
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, GA

The thing I don't understand is when it comes to a problem most especially Ronlund everyone in this forum takes it offensively.

I think what people are upset about is that are not giving Ron the chance to solve the problem before complaining about it. In this "ebay" culture and online universe, reputation is everything. You don't slam a person for a simple mistake before giving them the opportunity to correct it. That is Miss Manners 101 in the online universe.

Mistakes do happen, and yes, you shouldn't have been charged anything without your consent. But common courtesy says you give them the chance to fix it before bitching. Doing otherwise just hurts their reputation unfairly, and this is why you see so many people coming to Ron's defense (although some more eloquently than others).
10-14-2003 03:57 PM
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Wow what a stand up guy Ronlund is...

Issues a credit without question and stands the whole financial risk of a cock up himself...

I have seen some people moan about having to send copies of CC statements and proof of address to Ricks when ordering from abroad, but this just proves that he is the sort of person that can be trusted with this info.

As to the missing YS91, If it doesnt get delivered then the courier will no doubt have to stump up, if it does I am sure voksboy will deal with it as professionally as Ricks... Or hopefully not accept it so couriers have to return it...

Good luck getting the engine back Ron



Don't Email me as I wont reply - PM Only (spam countermeasures)
10-14-2003 03:59 PM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

The thing is I came here to ask for advice and get help. This wouldn't of been such a hugh issue if people like Ja1010 stopped talking out of there ass. Accusing me of ordering parts and back orders and now scamming ron for an engine, not to mention being a crook. Give me a break. For something as cheap as this?

The thing what got to me was the first time and only time I ordered from ron, we had a small problem. This is why (most especially oversees orders) I would only email him directly for any inquiries or orders. So last Aug I wanted to give ron another chance. I emailied him directly and asked for a quote. Then you all know the story from there. Mind you last Aug. Sat OCT 11 I checked my CC account and there was a charge from Ron. I freaked out because I had no Idea what on earth was the charge for. So after a while I took a guess and said maybe it was the quote I asked for. Still didn't register that this was really the cause. I knew I didn't give any details and never agreed to purchase anything. But then again maybe there was more to it then just a f""k up. Thus My post here.

Call me paraniod but when your half way around the globe and someone you bearly even know, plus I had a problem with them before, then charges you for something you didn't order. Where would I go? Call 911 or go to the helicopter forum and ask what's up?

So excuse me for posting a negative remark about someone I bearly knew. So you tell me to resolve it with Ron first? I couldn't get a hold of him other than email which isn't fast enough when something like this situation happens.

So now that the story unfolds and it was a hugh mess up not on my part. Now I have to help find the engine I didn't order from a place I moved out of 4 months ago and I have to explain myself again.

And yet I'm still the one that did something wrong.

Unbelivable!

Not to mention if I do find the engine and send it back to ron the people here will say I did this because of them. Then they will try to take credit for it.

again Unbelivable!
10-14-2003 04:59 PM
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aashu
Veteran
Location: Garden State , NJ

..Go On

I only wish Ron has the Engine back ...

Proudly Flying in NJ, USA
10-14-2003 08:35 PM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

ja1010, you know what maybe you should read this thread again and the posts that you've replied. Then pm me so I can help you understand all your so called points. For the life of me I can't understand what your rambling about.
10-14-2003 08:36 PM
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

The Merchandise can be traced by the shipping company to it's final destination and the person who signed for it. Hopefully that type of shipment was made and not by regular mail.
This can be resolved, give time for the research as to where the merchandise ended up to so that this problem can be solved.
Arguing and accusations will lead no where!
10-14-2003 09:57 PM
 
 
bl092599
Heliman
Location: MN

Now that's funny!
10-15-2003 02:10 AM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Raffy, everyone else, that's the thing. I'm sure the engine will be found. well I'm hopefull but this guy ja1010 has been drilling me from the very beginning and has been saying it's all my fault saying I did this and I did that but truth of the matter is I didn't. The engine was shippied out to me by a mistake from Ronlund. I never ordered it nor did I give authorization to charge me for anything. Instead of ja1010 saying opps I'm sorry he says oh where oh where has the engine gone!

I understand eveyone has there own opinion and everyone has the right to voice it out but at the least apologize when your wrong or at the very least STFU!

Now I just recived an email from Ron saying the engine and parts where sent by regular mail with no tracking number but it does have insurance. Regular mail in this country! If you knew the system here there is now a %60 percent chance I'll recive it before the end of the month a 10% chance in the next 6 months, another 5% chance in a year %20 chance I will never see it and %5 that it will returned to sender. But when it does obviously I will send it back to Ron.
10-15-2003 05:06 AM
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pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

My take on this is :-

If you made a mistake in sending out something to someone who did not order it in the first place, you bear all the risk yourself , including the risk that that item will not be returned , lost , unclaimed , thrown away , etc.

Ron's crediting back money is not an act of benevolence , its his duty since no one ordered the item in the 1st place.

So for JA to say that Ron has done his part and now , it is for VOLK to do his , is complete BS. Why does VOLK have to do ANYTHING at all? Why does he have to expend time / effort to put right something that he had no part in ?

You guys are so one sided , its laughable.

Hey , VOLK , just look , if its not there , too bad for RON.

Cheers.
10-15-2003 05:34 AM
 
 
Rawlie
Senior Heliman
Location: JHB

Voks,

Relax buddy, there is no obligation to you to find the engine.

An item, which you did not order, was shipped to you by accident. You Credit Card was mistakenly debited, and you have now been refunded.

As noted, Ron is a stand up guy for sorting this out so quickly.

My guess is the engine will turn up soon, either at the courier company, your old house, or Ron's front door. I hope Ron gets his motor back, he seems like a great guy.

But Voks' involvement here is zero. If you can help if you find out anything, that would be great. But there is no obligation.

Voks, the reason why you got flamed, and I have been flamed on RR before, is due to the "hunting pack" mentality. One member reads your post and decides to flame you, as he's entitled to do, its free speech and all that cr*p. Then some others smell blood and decide to lay into you because hey, the road has been paved, you're outnumbered and Voks is an easy target.

Don't take it personally, at the end of the day its just a friggin' helicopter chat forum
10-15-2003 12:51 PM
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

Being as I just ordered a bigblock
engine from Ron, they now essentially
require insurance on the shipping
method for high value items, particularly on overseas
shipments.

I suppose if you opt out and its 'lost'
in transit, you're S.O.L.
10-15-2003 01:02 PM
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Voksboy,
You no longer has to respond in this forum. You have been credited for an order you did not place. It will be Ron's job to find out how he can claim the engine back. But, from the shipping method that they used, I have a bad feeling that it is not trackable and recoverable.
So, don't worry, Be Happy!
10-15-2003 05:36 PM
 
 
Allora
Senior Heliman
Location: North East, NJ

IMHO it was a real dick move posting a flaming complaint and naming the vendor before even asking the vendor to clear it up.

No excuse. A responsible person wouldn't shoot first and ask questions later. Ron did the resopnsible thing by clearing it right up.

I really sounds like somone just wanted to hear themself bitch to feel like a big man...

...If somthing had to be said 'to educate others' it should have been done after the fact, in an informational way. Or call Ron out AFTER he didn't solve it to your satisfaction.

PS ... I also agree that the engine won't make it back!
10-15-2003 06:45 PM
 
 
3D-RC
Senior Heliman
Location: NY

This pony is glue. Lets get back to helis.
10-15-2003 10:12 PM
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

"This pony is glue"


LOL at UAI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He ha hahahahahah.

Great one.
10-16-2003 03:24 AM
 
 
Rawlie
Senior Heliman
Location: JHB

Jaja10

I must admit, on rereading some of the earlier posts I do kinda see where you're coming from.

At the same time I have sympathy for Voksboy's position.

Call me a fencesitter if you must!!

I think at the end of the day the one person who did come out of all this looking good was Ron. I never really knew about him before, now I already feel like I can trust him and I've never met the dude!!

Oh well, all's well that ends well. I think this thread has been killed now
10-16-2003 09:24 AM
 
 
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