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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

I was about to sleep and this damn post started lingering in my head again! Firstly let me say dkshema you are right nobody knows who I am. Hell I could be a crook for all you know. Point taken.

and my Quote:
I do know for a fact that it clearly stated how much would the YS 91 and the gear ratio but for argument sake , why would Ricks shop send me parts backordered over a month ago and charge my card without sending me an email?

Arguments sake, that didn't happen I never ordered those parts it was for arguments sake.

This is what happened a month or so ago I emailed ron and asked him what the price of the YS91 and gear ratio was. He emailed me back saying he was out of town and to email someone else. Forget his name. I emailed that guy and asked him saying ron told me to get in contact with him, anyway he gets back to me a week or so after (not sure of the dates) anyway by the time he got to me. I told him that it was to late I ordered my engine and parts already. Left it at that. Anyway I checked my CC account now and this trasaction came up. I called the CC company and told them that wasn't my transaction. To cancel it. Thy advised me to close my account so I did. I checked Ronlund and sure enough they where closed till monday. So thus I'm still pissed at the fact they charged me for parts I didn't order and I posted it here. Vented out.

Okay now this is where the twist is, ronlund did make a mistake the last time I ordered parts from him. He told me that the shipping cost would only cost me $20 for parts I ordered. Sometime in January. 2 days later my parts arrived but my shipping cost was $90 shippied to the philippines. Anyway spoke to ron and he said he couldn't get to it on time. Fine I didn't want to argue so I left it with that. Now this thing happens, Naturally I'm pissed.

Provided, (not sure yet about it) this transaction was due to that email asking about the parts and they took it that I was ordering it. Then fine they just messed up. A big mess up it was...

This is what I think might of happened

1. ron knew I wasn't a happy customer the last time I ordered from him and he wanted to make it right and thought I really wanted those parts and he shippined it without confirming to get in my good side?

2. They simply messed up and shippied the parts because they though it was back ordered.

This things I can kinda live with but if they sent me something else that wasn't even remotely close to my last email. Then that would be really F@#k@# up. If they send me a transmitter or reciever or a kit or something. Then that would mean only one thing someone hacked into there secure website and used my credit card (unlikely).

So I'm obviously not a happy customer. And I know that I personnaly would not deal with ron because of the mess up they have made to me personally. Ron maybe a stand up guy to everyone in this place but I don't know him well enough to make that assumtion. All I know is I never ordered these parts from him, all I wanted to know if he had it in stock and how much it was.

If he simply sent me an email then there wouldn't be this problem. The last email I got from them was a few weeks ago saying they didn't have these parts and I said that's okay cause I've ordered it already.
10-11-2003 05:33 PM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Oh and DAVIDH read the whole post...


This was the quote....

z11355, you're probably right. Maybe that would be the case. I do know for a fact that it clearly stated how much would the YS 91 and the gear ratio but for argument sake, why would Ricks shop send me parts backordered over a month ago and charge my card without sending me an email? Or a phone call?
10-11-2003 05:35 PM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

This is the last post for my day its too late already as it is.

I'll be calling ricks on moday and I'm sure he will fix this.

Why did I start this post, well if people haven't gathered all the info, here it is. I got charged for a transaction that I didn't place. My hands are tied for 2 days till I can find out what the cock up was. Till then this transaction will be in my head. I'm sure rick wouldn't do this intensionally but it happened. So here I am venting out because I have no one to bitch at. Since this is the heli forum well here I am sharing my exprience.

Why not wait till monday to talk to rick you might ask. Well I'm going crazy as it is wondering why I've been charged for a part without my knowledge. I can't understand why a reputable company (as everyone here says) wouldn't email me before sending me a package. I still have now Idea what this charge was for, if it was for an email regarding the YS 91 and gear ratio or for something else. No tracking number no reciept no email just a charge. This is why I'm irritated.

I understand that people here have no idea who I am. But lets see... I use the handler Voksboy and I have 300+ posts and my location philippines. My signiture shows my company here and a hugh motorcycle community and my fury website. What else do I need to put, my real name CC number and SS number address etc But yet maybe I'm a crook because I have a negative thing to say about ricks.

Rick maybe the best person for you to deal with in the states but for me it's hard to deal with him. I wasn't happy with my first order from him and now this thing happens. I thrust if everyone is right then rick didn't make this mistake, but for the time being if the order was my mistake due to miscommunication or someone else accessed my card and ordered parts for themselves or someone in his company f@#!ed up i will assume the worst till then.

Baja170 and some others gave me a good idea and just handle this dispute on monday. And assure me that it will get fixed. But then other people say that it's my fault and a could be a crook and this is why i'm writing this.

I'm in this forum to learn about heli's. I'm here to hear everyone imput. But what gets me is the fact that people tend to be one minded and don't care to read everything which was said. Then they come in a critize me because I said something negative. I'm not asking for you simpathy all I wanted to do was vent. And whatever you guys say it won't matter to me. The one thing I know is I got screawed by someones mistake and hopefully it will be fixed.
10-11-2003 07:24 PM
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Backorder.

It is a term that has been around for ages.

It means, "We don't have it right now. We will ship when it gets here."

It also means "we won't bill you for it right now, because we didn't ship it."

It also means "when we DO get it in stock, we WILL ship it to you, and we WILL BILL you for it."

Your original invoice should show no item shipped, no charge for it either (if there were other items on the same order).

You probably also might notice that you didn't get charged additional shipping on the backordered stuff that finally shipped.

The vendor doesn't need to inform you before they ship backordered stuff. You ordered it, and they shipped it. You should kind of be expecting it.

When you were told it was backordered, you had the option then to cancel the item, or leave it on order.

Rick's usually calls me on orders when something is out of stock and gives me the option at that time to cancel or keep it on order.

As a matter of fact, I'm waiting on a remote glow adapter plug that has been backordered for quite awhile now. When it ships, I'll be happy to get it.

Dave
10-11-2003 09:38 PM
 
 
rckrzy1
Elite Veteran
Location: Hurst Texas

happened once to me

A few years ago I asked him if he had a crystal and could bring it to a funfly he was going to to. I bought it at the funfly with cash but got a CC bill for one he never shipped too. But I got credit back from that.



Wildcat Fuels
10-11-2003 11:33 PM
 
 
Al Magaloff
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Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

I'm saying someone fu@#ed up and my question is why. How would anyone in this discussion forum know the answer to THAT? Volksboy, could you or anyone here tell me why my friends father-in-laws boat motor isn't running right? Your question and your whining makes about that much sense. Go straighten it out with Ron Lund, and then come back here and give the solution as much space as you've given the teary eyed crap!
10-11-2003 11:51 PM
 
 
lasnubes
Heliman
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL

Ron is a stand up guy!

Do not fear, one call will solve all. Ron has not, and will not cheat anyone. If anything he has "eaten" tons of stuff, just to satisfy people he deals with regularly.

Try resolving the issue on a personal basis, before venting. A mistake is ok, not resolving it honestly is then cause for venting. I understand your upset, however, try and realize that Ron/Rick's is not the kind of business that has a disloyal following. He has taken care of his customers, and they in turn feel strongly about him.

Surely this is cause for comfort for you!

Carl

Ashton's Support Staff ;)
10-11-2003 11:56 PM
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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Sounds like a Beatles tune. I'm going to unsub from Volkswagons thread here....goodbye!
10-12-2003 12:08 AM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Okay this BO thing, I never said anything about BO. Someone else mentioned it in this thread. So I considered it for argument sake. The fact is I didn't order anything or was told anything about a BO. I just checked my CC and there was a charge that's it. No BO just a chrage for something.

Anyway Ron already emailed me and he found out it was the YS and the gears. So it was a mistake. He will find our with doug why they sent me the parts and why he considered it an order. He says normally doug doesn't make those mistakes but he will check and it would be a priority on monday. Now with that im happy enough to chill and wait till Ron figures out what happen.

Ron thanks for the help and the min I know what happen I will post it here.
10-12-2003 03:31 AM
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Odd. In the first three voksboy posts, there is an insistence that nothing was ever ordered, that Ron just randomly shipped a couple of items that had been quoted earlier.

Then, a simple post mentions the "backorder" word.

The very next post from Voks basically says that the parts were backordered. That post gives a pretty clear understanding of what happened.

It isn't until quite a few posts later that Voks says "hey -- I didn't say backorder -- someone else did, and I just considered it for argument's sake".

The story changes ever so slightly, but only when things begin to look bleak for the original story line.

Voks -- if you seem to have this much trouble communicating via email with a vendor (this is the second order in a row that Rick's appears to have screwed up for you), you might ask yourself what is happening in your emails that the guy on the other end of the internet always "misunderstands" your intent. Have any other vendors had a similar problem understanding what it is you want?

When I've had to dispute a charge from a credit card company -- they've always told me the proper procedure to follow to contest a charge. Then the disputed charge is removed from your bill, and the card issuer investigates the claim. I've never been told to close my account. Based on the results of the card issuer's investigation, the charge is either permanently removed from you bill, or it is reinstated.

Also a word to the wise. If you do email people, or call them on the phone to discuss orders, backorders, misplaced orders, screwed up orders -- document the dates, times, and names of people you talked to so your claims can be corroborated. Keep copies of all emails, all correspondence, all bills, invoices, and statements.

Being unable to recall who you talked to , what you talked about, or even when you talked makes you look disorganized at best, or just plain stupid at worst. There is power behind good record keeping. Don't leave home without it.

Dave

And enjoy that YS91.
10-12-2003 05:44 AM
 
 
Kino
Veteran
Location: Navan, Ireland

Is english your first language

Why do we fear change, one of the two certainty's in life
10-12-2003 05:49 AM
 
 
Augusto
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Location: San Diego, CA



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10-12-2003 07:51 AM
 
 
voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Quote 
The very next post from Voks basically says that the parts were backordered. That post gives a pretty clear understanding of what happened.


What are you talking about? When did I say backordered? Read this post.

Quote 
everyone is (hopefully) human around
here (although I have doubts).

it would seem as though either your
email was worded in such a way or
he construed it in such a way that he
thought you were in fact desiring to
order the parts, not just price shopping.

When the YS91's came in, he filled
the 'backorder'.

He will make it right.



This was the post I was reffering too.... Backordered was from z11355.

Myu answer was this

Quote 
z11355, you're probably right. Maybe that would be the case. I do know for a fact that it clearly stated how much would the YS 91 and the gear ratio but for argument sake, why would Ricks shop send me parts backordered over a month ago and charge my card without sending me an email? Or a phone call?


That's what I said. So where is all this crap coming from? Argument sake read and read it again. Arguements sake. Don't twist the words I may of missed a comma or something woopy do but it says arguements sake. I'm giving him the benifit of the dought.

Next issue, I didn't go online to his shop and order the parts thourgh his shopping cart. I emailed ron directly to ask him if he had those parts in stock. The reason why I did this was because the last time I ordered from him It got messed up. He couldn't get to my order in time that's why I paid $90 for shipping. He emailed me saying that it should of only costed $20 but next thing he knew it was shippied out. Fine that's done. I lost cash. He did however say the next time I do order to go through him and it would never happen again.

So here comes the story. I checked my cc company yesterday to find out there was a charge from rons, why I asked myslef. Couldn't think of any reason. So I told them to dispute that transaction. Anyway they said do you want to close your account etc etc. I even told them I wasn't in the country and they said it would be best to close your card and will give you new ones. Fine. So I went straight to ronlund.com and checked for there office hours. mon to thursady. So I emailed him. Still pissed because I still had no Idea why, then I posted in here to vent. But as I was posting the only thing I could think of maybe they thought I ordered the engine and gears. But inmpossible I said, because my last email to now I know doug (ron emailed me and said his name) was it was okay because I ordered them already. That was around the end of last august.

About me keeping emails, I probably have it in my office or maybe I deleted it. I had no Idea this was going to happen that's why I didn't thing about it. But maybe the emails are in my office computer. The point is I know for a fact I did say I ordered the parts already(hell I got the engine from heli-kraft and the gears from heliproz). But since someone said backorder then I gave Ron the benifit that maybe I screwed up my wording or something because they shippied it anyway.

The arguement was this, if there was a backorder (which is unlikely) (which someone else said) then maybe that's the reason it was sent.
Next thing I know everyone keeps bringing up this BO thing like I knew that was the reason. I was giving the guy the benifit of the dougt and this is what I get.

We will find out what happened, I'm sure as hell I'm going to find the emails or ron will. Then will see. One person fu@#ed up it was either doug or me (got to watch what I say so doug was the name ron emailed me. So I presume that was the guy ron told me to ask when I emailed him aug.)
10-12-2003 10:39 AM
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Roger Hamilton
Senior Heliman
Location: Surrey, England

When you confront Ron Lund with this problem are you going to be similarly aggressive?

Personally I would express my concerns and enquire what actions he might be prepared to take in order to restore my confidence in his organisation. I would imagine Mr Lund would grasp the opportunity and it is possible you would be recompensed for the aggravation.

Of course, if I was him, I would read your post, credit your card and tell you to p%ss off
10-12-2003 10:36 PM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Dodger, you think i'm aggressive? Well don't worry i've been emailing Ron and I know he didn't make the mistake. It was probably Doug the guy he asked me to email.

I'm back in the office now and have more info. The reply I got wasn't from Doug it was from Eddie Ho from Cycberheli. I replied to him saying it was okay I have the parts already. When I emailied Doug I never got a reply. So probably this is what happened, I sent him an inquiry before the end of AUG saying something like this, ( I think it was this because this is what I sent ron)

Hey Ron.

Igancio "inaki" Araneta here, anyway I wanted to find out if you have stock. I'm looking for MA119-130 - 8.18 TO 1 RATIO KIT and ENGINE YS 91ST-H (the latest one) for my fury. To be shippied to LA before the end of the month. Can you please give me the best price and shipping details.

Thank you

Dated Aug 14 03

I must of sent this out around aug 19 to Doug. He probably read it Sept something because of all his mass email orders. Anyway not Replying to me and just went ahead and shippied the parts OCT.

Yes I know I f@#$ up with some details.

This is the thing, I can see where doug must of gotten confused. I did ask if he had stock but he also must of read "to be shippied to LA before the end of the month" and "can you give me the best price and shipping details" but why didn't he email me back? And I'm sure I didn't give him credit card info or autorization. And I never gave a shipping address (at least I think) my CC card address was in Las Vegas. Anyway I'm sure Ron will find out tom your time and find out what really happened. So till then this is the update
10-13-2003 05:31 AM
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Everyone that got into this forum missed the point as to why Voksboy (a Customer from half around the world) got very mad when his Credit card was charged unjustly! Instead of many giving him good advice on how to solve the problem, he got attacked and became the crook to many.
If you all sit back and look at the picture, it is easy for anyone of us in the USA to get results because we are in the Main land and that is why we know Ron will be there for us.

Voksboy was reaching out to everyone here for help as we all are ONE in this hobby of ours. How well did you do in this forum to help him ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
10-13-2003 11:41 PM
 
 
ronlund
Senior Heliman
Location: Corpus Christi, TX

It's Monday night and all is well. Inaki's card has been credited and he has been informed of that via email.

This all started when I passed Inaki's quote request off to Doug because I was out of town. Doug, much to my dismay, passed it off to Rena. Too much passing of the buck :-(

When Rena figured the quote, she did it in the computer. She failed to tag the order as a quote, thus it became an active order to anyone who looked at it.

When the YS engines came in, a list was compiled of all active orders. Inaki's was one of them, and it was shipped.

Due to the circumstances we credited his account immediately. Now our only worry is getting the engine back and restoring Inaki's faith in us.

Sorry for all the trouble

Ron
10-14-2003 03:10 AM
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Harbinger
Veteran
Location: alberta

Ron ya do a great job providing a great service

**** sometimes happens . Most of us that have dealt with you know you are a totally stand up guy. Most of the guy in this forum can attest to that.

P.S. drop that Richard Montman an email and tell him to start flying those helis more often or your gonna lean on him. He moved up here a while back and he brings a plank out more then the helis (He is training his daughter to fly though in his defence
10-14-2003 03:15 AM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Thanks Raffy, baja170 and Seneca anyway I got the whole story.

You won't beleive this but what a mess! Ron emailed me like he said and that he would fix this. He said he credited back my account today. Thanks you very much Ron.

For all the other guys who thought I was a crook, Well F@#$ #$%

Here is the what happen, from ron himself (I now see what a good guy he really is)

Recieved today,

Inaki,

We can't find any correspondence in which you ordered those items. I've
instructed Rena to issue a credit today.

This is a mess. The engine and other part were sent to your Phillipines
address. Are you there? Can you send it back via the cheapest means
available with insurance? We will repay you for the shipping. I'm really
sorry this happened, but we think we know how it happened.

When Rena did your quote, she entered it in the computer. Instead of
marking it "Quote only" or deleting it, she left it in as an active
order but didn't print it.
We have a guy that works at night and part of what he does is go through
orders and backorders, matching things that recently arrived with
pending orders. He must have found your (bogus) order for the YS91 and
put it in to be shipped.

Ron


It was a big mess up but thank god Ron is the guys you said he is. Now I don't have anything to worry about.

But here is the kicker!

The engine and gears where shippied to my house in the Philippines, the thing is I rented that house end of june. The last time I recieved a package I had to pay and extra $20. Hopefully this time nothing! My tenant there are very good people so if they received the package then I'm sure I'll get it. Problem is if they had to pay for something they might not of accepted it. Or worst if there maids opened the door and said I don't live there anymore then it might be somewhere in the post office!


I'm going to try my best and find that engine and keep it for myself and become a crook I'm only kiding Ron. I will really try.

Ron, thanks again for the help! and to everyone else who was neutral and help here in RR, thank you. And the rest of you who just attacked me and branded me as a crook, go F@#$ yourself and I hope the next time you need help people treat you 10 folds worst then you did to me!
10-14-2003 03:28 AM
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voksboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Ronlund, thank you again for all the help. I don't really know you but now I understand why everyone completely respects you. You are a one stand up guy!

I hope you see the point why I got pissed and why I came here to ask for help. Next time my card gets charged by you I won't jump into anymore conclusions (hopefully it won't happen again ). At least now I know who the good guys are.

I will try my best to find that engine and when I do I'll send it back to you.


Thanks again.
10-14-2003 03:39 AM
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