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Robbe Cuatro - Millennium - Nova - Dyna-X > Robbe Nova
 
 
Ralph
Senior Heliman
Location: CT

I'm thinking about buying a Nova and am curious what current user have to say about them. So please post your opinion!

Thanks, Ralph
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
helifan
Heliman
Location: Hamburg / Germany (4 years in L.A., CA, USA)

Robbe helis are excellent machines. I don't have a Nova but the (old) gold looking Futura with the hex tail boom and I'm very happy with it. I know from friends of mine who actually fly a Nova that they are very happy too.
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GarySwain
Heliman
Location: Issaquah WA

I have a Nova OS91 and real like it. I have bee flying it for one year now and could not be happier with it. Just a great heli.
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

HeliFan:

I have a NOVA ,a Futura SE, and I did have a milli,
Right now the nova is my favorate model it is basically a Hybrid between the milli and the futura, I like it because I prefer the belt drive system, because if it's smoothness and flexability of gear ratios available depending on what power plant you want just by changing the clutch bell and sometimes the belt.

the reliability of the robbe's are unmatch in this industry the only time I seem to repair my robbies is when I crash them.
They fly awsome , it's hard to explain how good, you just have to try one to understand. I ring mine out everytime I fly and it just keep going and going and going, Best of all YOU DON'T Need $$ UPGRADES.

Crash cost are way lower than your more popular band X- take from someone who use to fly other brands.

The Nova is a EXCELLENT choice.


McKoi
Robbe Rep
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
RCMarket
Key Veteran
Location: Belgium , Europe

Futura Se.

I will just add my 0.02$

I have Brand new Futura SE, with ALL POSSIBLE UPGRADES ON IT.
all carbon, and metal, no plastic, even links are RC-city.
All pushrods are heavy duty and much more.
this heli is built, but still no electronics on it.
plenty of spares, just dont have time to fly, and to finish.,
definately its not a cheap deal, but if it something you looking for, let me know, i will send you whole components list.

rcmkt@hotmail.com
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

<<...crash costs are way lower than X-brand...>>

That's not what a friend of mine, who owns and flies both, says. He'a pretty competent 3D guy, but as all such do, he plants one every now and then. So he is rather familiar with crash costs.

Of course, he's not a rep...

Steve
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Andy17
Senior Heliman
Location: Ellijay, GA

On the subject of crash costs, I have crashed both also, I find the Futura to be very competitive. If you look at the standard crash parts you will find this too, it about $5 more than a XL. But what I have found is a futura will hold up better to a crash and is MUCH easier to rebuild. So yes it is more about 5 bucks but to me it's 100 bucks easier.

The Futura is a very good mechine if you can find any. The Milli is a little simpilier than the Nova but theres not much difference. The Milli is said to be a little lighter but just a little. And the Nova is smooth.

Any of the 3 are great choices. They all fly good. You will not be disappionted.

Andy
Robbe Rep
03-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

I'll agree that a Futura is much easier to rebuild (and re-set up); but fifty-six bucks for a PLASTIC servo tray??? And my HUI-sponsored other buddy who flies two Futuras tells me it breaks almost every time.

As to the Nova, looks to me like it is as just as complex as an X-Cell.

I'm not trying to start a fight here. But one of the reasons I have never owned a Schluter is the parts cost and on-again/off-again availability. I know, I know, things are much better now, availability-wise. In fact, I was planning on getting a Futura SE later this year. Another pal got one, and I was most impressed with the bearings, crisp parts, etc. This is the first Futura I've examined that wasn't a bit ragged-looking from hard use. What a beautiful kit; I want one. But it looks like the marketing wizards at Robbe have nixed that idea...

Steve
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flatspin
Veteran
Location: H.V. Pa.

I have seen all three of them fly at my local field. They are very smooth and precise ships! Makes the guys that fly them look real good. First I thought it was all pilot factor, NOPE, when the guy that has a nova, se and a millie (one lucky dude!) flyes his Raptor 60, he is no where near as smooth as with the Robbies. Great flying helis for sure! I would get one myself, but I am just starting out and afraid I'll destroy it before I can appreciate it. Get one, you won't be dissapointed, at least not with the performance. Don't know much about parts cost, the guys that fly them here don't complain much, neither do they plant them very often either.
I'll tell you one thing, the sound of the Rossi with a Rossi pipe is SWEET!
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

Hook line and sinker:

Steve, I have alot of flying buddies that fly X brand .
One who got a New top of the X -cell SE $1250 "ouch" and had a TR failure and the crash cost was over $800,
Another buddy with a X-c. gasser over $650, another with a custom that was not worth fixing, and on and on and on
it goes, same story different day.
When are you guys going to wake up and buy a ship that can servive a crash and be fixed for reasonable amount of your hard earned cash?

Now you guys are starting to see the cost of a fury crashes! look on the tread "warnings" $450 !!!! that crazy for a $650 kit? because of TR failures? big bummer
""" "Currently, the cost to fix my Fury is $450+ and that isn't including blades."""""""""" OUCH!!!!!!!!!!

how many more exspensive crashes before you see the light?

Even with the servo tray breaking (Which does the job of 4-6 parts on
x brand) the crash cost on robbe are very reasonable in comparison.
and you could go fly the crap out of robbe and not worry that somthing is going to fail.

Part availability is great since HUI took it over from Pica, no worry about getting parts for a futura for 10 more years , you could still get parts for a champion if you wanted.

You're going to see in the future more ships and at competitive pricing from Robbe that all I can say, If you like the futura and I love mine I'd grab one now while you can and it's a steal at $700 , later you could convert it to a Nova if you want without much trouble. the milli,nova and futura share 70% of the same parts.

Mckoi,
Futura 80, Nova, Futura gasser
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Andy17
Senior Heliman
Location: Ellijay, GA

I put a SE in nose first hard and didn't break the tray, maybe luck but I was impressed. And have seen another that has had a few dumps and no tray. But your right 56 is high but its the whole thing. My graph xl was much harder and longer to build. But to his question They fly as good or better than anything I have ever flown.

I'm not looking for a fight either. Just trying to help the guy out. And I really like the helis and give my 02 for what its worth.

Andy
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

Flat spin ,

if you want to get into a Robbe cheap , look at the Futura SS for under $500 you won't go wrong

McKoi
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

I'm wide awake, thank you.

Are you trying to say that X-Cell parts fail and Schluter doesn't? Wrong. I know of two right here in my area, a Nova and a Millenium, that plowed in due a part failure. You just hear more about X-Cells because there are more of them out there.

I don't fly 3F, so I'm not worried about any of that. Frankly, I'm amazed that these things, regardless of brand, hold up as well as they do to the abuse that seems more and more to be the norm these days.

I like Schluters. They are great machines. And if I had the dust right now, I would indeed order an SE from England . But it will be late summer or longer before my "modeling fund" will have recovered sufficiently from this quarter-scale plank project to be able to afford a new 60 ship. I fear they will be all gone by then.

I am rather surprised at your recomendation of a Futura SS. All the Robbe reps and Schluter fliers I know have said to stay away from it, because it wears quickly, and by the time you have replaced all the plastic bushings and other non-metal parts, etc., that do wear out fast, you'll have spent more than if you had just bought an SE in the first place.

Whatever...

Steve
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

hi Steve,
the point is that Robbies cost less to repair !!!Much Less. and I said failures are fewer and far, not never. I just feel so bad when a fellow flyer crashes his X- brand heli and the crash comes close to the kit price ...
man that hurts!!!!!!!!!

the SS is a excellent value for a entry level 60, it is meant for beginners who want a 60 through- intermediate sport flyers.

As these pilots get better and demand more from a ship it is upgradable to a SE. If you want more from a Robbe you go for the next model up. it's no secret. you get what you pay for.
I've trained many pilots on SS's and they are still flying them and as they plant them they upgrade them to se's if they want.

what kind of plank are you building?

Mckoi
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

CAP 232.

This is my first "big" plane; been flying the 40-60 size for many moons, and I finally decided to step up. It is becoming a money pit, but I can't wait to fly it.

Steve
03-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

Steve, I would only do this for you.... From Ron's site I tracked down the part #'s for a typical 3D (F) crash for both the Furry and the SE/Nova. To be honest, I did not include the SE or Nova front structure ($52.00) or the Furry frame set ($120.00) , nor did I include the whole frame set of the Fury, which will be needed if the radio tray is damaged. So, using STOCK M/A and Robbe parts and prices from Senor' Lund's web store I made a list of these parts; Main shaft, spindle, flybar, Boom, torque tube, T/R drive gear, main drive gear (belt), and the T/R output shaft. The Fury costs $158.12 and the SE/Nova is $155.06! The biggest difference in the prices were the Fury's Boom ($5.25 more), Torque tube replacement ($20.00 more) and flybar ($ 2.50 more). The SE/Nova parts were higher on: Main Shaft ($6.00 more) *Note* Bergen makes a shaft for this same difference in price but I'm using stock stuff only here, Spindle ($3.50 more), T/R crown drive gear ($2.50 more) and T/R output shaft ($7.00 more). I didn't include Canopies, boom braces and fins...few people really use the stock stuff again after the first impact... Go get the SE, you'll be glad you did! Chris
03-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Ok, ok... I'm just telling you what two guys who fly both (one a Robbe/HUI rep) told me; to them, the X-Cell is less expensive to repair. I know both of these chaps well, I respect their veracity, and can think of no reason they would have to blow smoke up my ass.

Same deal on the Futura SS; according to them, it gets sloppy fairly quickly and needs new bushings or bearings in several areas at 100 flights or less.

So, Chris; since that solicitation for Robbe reps seems to be open-ended, are you gonna throw your hat in the ring???

Thanks for the research efforts- I'll buy your lunch at the fly-in next month!

Steve

P.S.: Where's Allen Dye when you need him???
03-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

I DID call Paul at Robbe USA last week...so far no joy! Ah well, I still like 'em better than any bird i've owned so rep or no I'll still fly 'em! I'm really looking forward to your Fun Fly in two weeks, I've got a new flight box from Ron Cosby that you're gonna love... See you soon. Chris
03-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

Maxx,
if you need help getting a hold of Paul , why don't you e-mail me off this forum with your heli resume ie: your experiences, level of ability, what you fly and your primary interests in this hobby, and I will get it in front of Paul for you.

Steve ,
Respectfully I dissagree with you about repair cost let me clarify:
In a MAJOR heli crash, x-cells don't hold up, I see it all the time, X-cell SE's that cost $$1250 needing over $$800$ worth of repairs,X-cell gassers over $650in repair cost , and now $450 crash cost on $650 Furys.
My point is that Robbes with stand serious crashes better and are still worth fixing, they are the most durable ships your money can buy.

The Futura SS is a $450 SPORT TRAINER, it is meant to offer to the market a low cost 60 heli option. yes it has bushings and bushing are not ball bearings, Any heli with bushings develop slop over time.
if you want to upgrade to BB's you can at any time.
If you want more heli? step up to the next model.
You get what you pay for.

McKoi
03-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Dyehard
Veteran
Location: Cedar Bluff, Va.

I'll throw in with Steve on this one. I''ve built and flown at least two of every 60 that Schluter/Robbe has made since the Heli-boy days except the Milli and Nova. The frame on the SE is simply another version of the parallel frame setup that was used on the Heli-boy, Superior, Champion, Scout, and Magic. I've done my share of repairs on all of them, they bend like any aluminum frame when they hit the ground. The Nova and Milli are stacked frames as used on quite a few helis now, and I know for a fact that the Nova has a many pieces as the X-cell SE to bend and break when it hits the ground, I counted them. While no two major crashed are the same, in most you get such items as the blades, flybar, spindle, mainshaft, and sometimes the landing gear, the tail boom and drive shaft and canopy, depending on what direction it hits. In the last MAJOR crash I had with my Graphite SE, it went in from over two hundred feet up, into a plowed field that had been baking in the sun for months. The damage, including blades, came to slightly under $300. Last year a friend updated his Graphite 60 with a bunch of SE99 parts, unfortunatly he didn't take out all the ball bearing spacer when he put in the split gear. At over 150 feet up the tail let go when it stripped the top track, the last 100 feet in went straight in on the nose on to a gravel road that has been driven on for over twenty years. He couldn't have hit any harder on concrete. That is with out dought the worst crash I have seen in quite a while, including some doozies at Hebron. The new graphite front end was a mess, he bought a front end kit to replace it. It got the fan and shroud, wiped out the landing gear, pretzeled the head and blew up the canopy. The blades were splinters. The total for the heli parts, including new blades, was $475. I know, I rebuilt the heli for him. If it had been a Robbe, the entire front end would have still been toast, the canopy would still have been gone, the head still would have been pretzeled, the gear would still have been torn off and the frames would probably have been bent. I have never seen a set of aluminum frames hit that hard and not bend. Aluminum, who ever it is made by, is still aluminum. It does not have the ability to bend, spring back and keep its shape. Graphite will, to a point. My friends SE only had one upper frame broken, despite the rest of the damage. Going with the prices posted on Ron's site, the cost would have been just as much if it had been a Futura SE. Robbe doesn't have a lock on designing good helis, theirs bend and break just like everone elses. How much it costs to repair one will depend on how it hits the ground, not the fact that it is made by Robbe. BTW, $475 is a long way from $800, for one of the worst MAJOR crashes of an X-cell SE that I have ever seen. Most are considerably less.
03-25-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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