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Bladebuster
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayside N.Y.

Had trouble starting my Z230 gasser. Grounded plug to engine to check for spark. No spark. Never had this problem before, so i am not sure what to do. Could a coil be bad? How do you check for a bad coil? By the way i did try a new plug. Any help would be appreciated.
09-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

I've had a couple go bad. Get a new one, install it, go fly! You won't test the old one easily, other than the no spark thing. Verify that the kill switch circuit is sound. Bypass the switch to be sure.
09-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
gyan
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Could be either the pickup coil or the Ign coil ...you pick! Also make sure the high tension lead is inserted correctly.
09-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

It is usually the primary coil (pick-up).
09-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
donlynn
Key Veteran
Location: New Zealand

Gidday

Some checks i do to prove a ignition coil is faulty.

static tests
Visual
look for cracks in the case
look for track marks in the case ,it can look like a wiggly pencil mark

continuity
use a ohm meter and check the primary resistance, one lead of ohm meter to wire the other to frame , I have no idea what a gasser coil shouild be but it might be around 5- 100 ohms

use a ohm meter to check the secondary, one ohm meter lead to wire ofr frame the other to the spark plug cap then remove the cap and check directly to the ht lead(spark plug )
again I have never checked a gasser coil but it might be 1000 - 10000 ohms.

do the above tests while heating the coil with a hair dryer or paint stripper , to much heat will melt the plastic, you'll find the resistance readings may increase a little say 1-5 % thats ok but more than that I'd be suspicious

running output test

Snap on make a spark tester that is brilliant , you wind out the knob on the end to increase the gap, I'd reccomend not going above 8mm or the spark may jump internally inside the coil breaking down the internal insulation.
Do the above while heating
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Kill switch
As Al said is the kill switch crook ?
Is the wire for the kill switch chaffed against metal anywhere including the kill switch wire ?
confirm this by disconnecting the kill switch, be carefull as if this is the problem it will now start and you will only be able to stop it by throttle position so check this is possible before attempting start. often older m cycles will track across the kill switch after time leaving a carbon trace and cause leakage loosing spark potential.

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pick up coil

running test
use a ac voltmeter connected to the kill switch wire while the switch is in the run position and confirm you are getting a voltage while cranking , my guess would be 5-50 volts ac, faster engine speed the higher.
static test
use a ohm meter again and check pick up coil resistance with coil and kill switch disconnected, maybe 50 - 1000 ohms

please note all the values given are guesses, confirm with the manufacturer for the values or a mate who has a runner.

If I can help further please advise.

regards Don
09-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Bladebuster
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayside N.Y.

Thanks for all the replys. The only thing i found was a slight break in the red wire coming out of the ignition coil. I don't know if this is the problem. Again, it isn't a clean break, just a few strands were broke.
09-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Robin
Heliman
Location: Darwin, Australia

Have had a problem where the secondarry coil was was no longer earthed properly .This was possibly due to locktite -too much-at its mounting.this has happened on two gas graphite x-cells
I now run a separate earth lead from the engine to the coil.,and have had no further problems
I hope this is of some help
09-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Check the red wire from the grey coil

Once I had the red wire from the grey coil get cut INSIDE the insulation. It wasn't obvious, but I found it out by sticking a pin in the insulation as close to the grey coil as possible and checking it with a voltmeter to the end of the red wire coming from the coil.

Once I found the internal cut, I noticed I could stretch the insulation further than usual in that area. Opened it up, added a piece of red wire to maintain the length, and it was all working again.

Worth a shot!

-=>Raja.

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09-26-2003 Over year old.
 
 
ImRich
Veteran
Location: Derry, NH USA

Raja,

GO check your email!

That video is ready for you to download and check as soon as I have your blessing I'll publish it!

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Rich
09-26-2003 Over year old.
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Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

OK, I had this problem

The shield was shorting inside the plug cap. I even have a photo of the short witness mark. I replaced the cap with a Bosch cap from Vario and the problem was solved. You can find out if this is the problem by removing the shield from its ground point.

This was a recurring problem with the JR Z230

It drove me crazy and really pissed me off when I went through it.
10-03-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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