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e-Ikarus Piccolo-Eco 8/16 > Piccolo Pro w/ Phoenix 10 questions
 
 
irq
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

I'm setting up a Piccolo Pro here, with a Phoenix 10 ESC, Hacker B20-18L motor and a 3-cell Etec 1200mah lithium ion battery pack. I have two questions:

1) What settings should I use for the Phoenix ESC?

2) What sort of throttle curve should I use? I think I've seen in two places now people not even using values past 50% before the headspeed gets too high...

3) I don't want to CA my servos in place. What sort of double sided tape do you guys recommend instead?

4) What is the nominal voltage of the Etec 3-cell 1200mah pack, so I can program my Triton correctly? Also, what charge rate do you recommend for slow charging and for safe fast charging? (Also for the first couple of break in charges, if neccessary.)

5) Should I break in the stock tail motor? If so, how?

Thanks!
09-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

1) What settings should I use for the Phoenix ESC?

Lowest voltage cutoff(4V)
Disable current limit
Disable break
Gov mode low RPM(for low pole count--ie Hacker--motors)
Standard advanced timing

2) What sort of throttle curve should I use? I think I've seen in two places now people not even using values past 50% before the headspeed gets too high...

Use the governor. Id use an 8 tooth pinion with your setup and fly at 85% governor. Those low gov settings are not good for the controller it has to do lots of work, well that is how it is with the Schulze and Kontronik controller and I dont think it is any different with this one. Try to keep the gov throttle setting above 80% After you put the heli in gov mode all you need to do is set all the points in your curve to the one % and thats it. The controller has(or should have) a soft start it will gently spool up. I am assuming that you will set your pitch curve up in a switchless inverted fassion so start up at mid stick(0 degrees pitch). For your throttle hold, program in the same pitch curve used in the idle flight mode and just program the hold to 0% on the throttle; this will be your off switch/ auto swith.

Oh and so you know I fly my Pic Pro at 3000 RPM so I think yours should be ok at 85%-90% with an 8 tooth(probably around 2400 which is a good aerobatic flying RPM).

3) I don't want to CA my servos in place. What sort of double sided tape do you guys recommend instead?

Do not CA you servos. What I would do is trace the servo profile onto carbon fiber (or any nice flat material that doesnt weight a lot) and cut 3 of those plate out. Glue them to where you would have glued your servos. Use a high quality double sided tape(3M all weather or the standared white 3M foam double sided tape) and you are set.

4) What is the nominal voltage of the Etec 3-cell 1200mah pack, so I can program my Triton correctly? Also, what charge rate do you recommend for slow charging and for safe fast charging? (Also for the first couple of break in charges, if neccessary.)

On the Triton choose the setting that says 11.1 volts(the nominal voltage for a single cell is 3.7 volts and that times 3 is 11.1). The pack will charge to 12.6V because the max charge for each cell is 4.2 volts.

5) Should I break in the stock tail motor? If so, how?

You do not need to break in your tail motor.
09-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
irq
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Thank you very much for addressing all my questions! I only have two remaining now:

1) I've read of people having problems running too high of a headspeed, causing blades to go out of track, etc, because the head was too flimsy for that speed and they had to stiffen it somehow. Will 85% governor give me this problem?

2) I don't have any material to cut out for these servos, so I'd have to buy some. And if I'm going to buy some, I'd rather just buy some pre-cut stuff. Do you know of any heli vendors that sell this stuff pre cut for the HS-50s?
09-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
irq
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Chris, Steve is out of town until Friday, or so I'm told. Besides, where do you think I bought all of this?
09-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
irq
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

You were still using your throttle curve, whether you wanted to or not - set to a constant value for all the points, most likely. That's what my question was refering to - finding that value.

Someone on rcgroups told me to start at 50% because of recent firmware changes in the Phoenix 10. Anyone got a take on that? I'm using the 8 tooth pinion.
09-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sao
Senior Heliman
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Start at 50% and measure the headpseed, if its not high enough increase the percentage
Easy!
09-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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