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PAUL-HILLMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: palatka -florida

this is a new list for guys or grils who buy stuff from others for a price that both pepople live with. and then dont send money to. so heres two for the start. RAY MOND- VOSIKA . MARC MEYER OR MR. HOOK32
08-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Jagboy69
Key Veteran
Location: Lake Mary, Florida (20 mins East of Orlando)

Viscous!!! but I understand your anger..... I thought we talked about NOT having a list like this before here...??

Jason /// Sceadu50/9chp WWW.Jagboy69.com
08-28-2003 Over year old.
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PAUL-HILLMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: palatka -florida

i think it s a good i deal so you can see who not to deal with. whats a shame is guys who buy but dont pay aaa they say there going to buy and send money but dont and then never contack you thats viscous to me. so heres there names.
08-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
PAUL-HILLMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: palatka -florida

ok im over it thank you.
08-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dannyfyl
Senior Heliman
Location: Miri, Malaysia

Paul,
I understand your frastration. I have my share of dead beat buyers in RR and Ebay. However, I have to agree with Dave, Money talks, BullS* walk!! Do it on a first come first serve basis everytime and inform the buyers. It is not sold till you have the fat cash on your tiny hand.
08-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
PAUL-HILLMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: palatka -florida

your right dan paul
08-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

they said the money was coming, it didn't.....did you have other buyers lined up? are they still interested?

when life gives you poop, make poop juice.
08-28-2003 Over year old.
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eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Didn't we hang Lior on this very point? He said he would pay for items and didn't send the payment as promised. We were ready to send a group to his country to retrieve the stuff he is stealing.

The fact is this is not a convienence store. The items for sale here are not availiable for browsing unless the owner sends pictures or you travel to the owner and ask to see it. Those users that think they have the right to agree to a sale and then drop out of the sale after the owner has paid the expense for shipping and don't send the item back ASAP at THERE expense should have thier names drug through the mud.

That my friends is plain and simple theft, and yes, if you steal your name should be posted here for all to see.

It's an honor system we use here and people break that honor all the time and then credible people like you DavidH, come in here and defend the crooks right to privacy so that others can be scammed at a later date. I have to say I'm confused, Your messages are always informative and interesting but this one is detrimental to all of us. are you actually suggesting that we protect the identity of those who wish to cheat and steal from us?

Anyway, I don't do my business online to begin with so this isn't a matter that really effects me but I do think we should at least be consistant in our dealings on the subject.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
08-28-2003 Over year old.
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eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Sorry DavidH, good point, after re-reading the initial posts I realised that I simply assumed that the items were sent first. Now that it's clear your position makes sense to me.
I still believe we should publicly tar and feather anyone caught ripping another member off but I also agree that in this case nothing was done to inflict any kind of damage or deprive anyone of property.

Half way there...... Maybe, I'd be pretty pissed off myself but at least I'd still have the ability to continue the deal with a new buyer. It is a matter of integrity. Paul does have the right to discuss truths regarding his dealings with others, If a Bad Guy list is improper, then being excluded from the good guy list is really not any better "guilty by omission" could be assumed in that case couldn't it?


-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
08-28-2003 Over year old.
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A. Bundy
Elite Veteran
Location: Aurora,IL. 30W/SW of Chicago

Sounds fair to list...If you say you are going to do something-DO IT!Or at least have the balls to call the guy up and tell them you changed your mind( like a old lady at a garage sale ).Paul takes these guys at their word and waits for them and nothing happens?Total BS.
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
inventory
Senior Heliman
Location: CA

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GUYS WHO BUY BUT DON'T PAY-LIST


If they don't pay then they haven't bought, simply don't send the item until you receive the cash and it shouldn't be a problem. I agree with DavidH, people have the right to change their minds.
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
PAUL-HILLMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: palatka -florida

i know this is not ebay but if so that would not fly verry for. with out ----- then you would not get to bid
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
optikaman
Veteran
Location: EnglishTown N.J.

to buy or not to buy

Hay I have every right to change my mind on any transaction and so does everyone else, I think you are bitching for no reason. If the item was posted on Run Ryder then you have lost only your time generated to replying to posts from prospective buyers. the sale is not final until you have the money in hand or in your paypal account and then you ship the item in question. We all deal with this and it is a part of selling items over the internet.

Like confuses say : don't count your chickens before they hatch!




Alan...
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Rawlie
Senior Heliman
Location: JHB

Two diff. cases

Paul-Hillman

I think its important to distinguish between guys who:

1. Agree to a sale verbally, but never pay ... but neither do they receive the goods.
2. People who receive the goods and don't pay

Case #2 is clearly more serious, and constitutes theft, possibly even fraud given the specific facts of the case. These guys need to be FLAMED bigtime.

Case #1 is not theft, at worst its a lie or a broken promise which is of course irritating but at least you still have the goods. Starting a list for these guys is a bad idea IMHO because misunderstandings do occasionally take place, people change their minds at the last second, and it has the potential to degenerate into a mud slinging contest.
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
pistole
Veteran
Location: Heli Land ....

I believe that I have something to add here.

First off , I do not agree that when there is an Agreement to transact an item (whether it be a heli , a car , a home ..... whatever) , a party is able to back out of it by simply not honouring his end of the bargain by not sending the money.

I also do not agree with the posters above that "as long as you still have the item in hand" , that you have therefore suffered no loss.

These arguments are simplistic.

The nub of the matter is that once there is an offer for sale at X price, and there is a corresponding acceptance of that offer at X price , a deal (an agreement) is made and must therefore be honoured.

Turn the tables around and consider this scenario. You've agree on a price , you send your money , the recipient sends you back your money claiming that he no longer wishes to sell you the item. According to you lot , nothing wrong has occured. You're all dead wrong. The innocent party may have taken steps in the interim period , to his prejudice , in reliance upon your agreement.

First example , you , as the seller has turned down other (perhaps better) offers to buy. Second example, you , as the buyer , has bought other items in anticipation of getting the item that was to have been sold.

That is why , when you agree to pay , pay. Simple. Agree to sell , sell, also simple.

If you do not honour your promises , you have no standing to complain when others put your name up for ridicule.

Cheers.
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Rawlie
Senior Heliman
Location: JHB

Pistole

You make some very good points.

I agree with you that if an offer and acceptance exist, you have a binding contract which both parties should honour. A verbal acceptance of an offer constitutes a contract. A verbal contract is as enforeable as a written contract in law.

On the basis of the law and "honour", ideally we should all honour these verbal contracts. I'm not disputing that fact Pistole. What I am questioning is the wisdom of starting a "Bad Guy" list based on the above.

The reasons are simple:
- communication on RR is often via PM's/e-mails which people may not check every day or even every week, so miscommunication is very likely
- there are a couple of clowns on this forum who will add people's names to the Bad Guy list who may not deserve it.

My 2c
08-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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