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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > 9C or 9Z ?
 
 
JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

What are the differences betwen these 2 radios ? Is there enough difference to justify the cost difference ? Is the 9Z due for replacement by a newer model ?
03-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

About 3 Lb of "inards"
03-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Dave_D
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

Try this link

http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/feature-compare.html
03-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

HAHAHA Doug you crack me up!

The 9Z is the can do all radio. Oh my god can it do it all. I just wish it came as a 12 channel (What in gods name would I need 12 channels for?)

The 9C is a glorified 8U... This is a good thing. But it in know way is close to the features of the 9Z

Ken B
03-12-2002 Over year old.
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Raptorite
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Yes, I agree with volkul,

What in gods name would you need 12 channels for??, come to that, what in gods name would you need 13 point curves for
03-12-2002 Over year old.
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Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

Same reason you "need" a .91
03-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Doug,

My Freya needed the 91...not me....

Ken B
03-12-2002 Over year old.
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JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

How hard is the 9Z to program? I have an 8U now.
03-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

Thanks David, I will take you up on that. Looking forward to the funfly.

John
03-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
dbackus
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

If you are new to the hobby, helicopters, etc. I would suggest a 9C. It is MUCH easier to program.

I just upgraded to a 9Z from a 9C and, while you can do ANYTHING with it, it is not easy. It will take a lot of studying to learn everything this radio has to offer. The 9Z is a very nice radio that feels very good in your hands, comes with a nice box, DSC patch cord, and in mine a Synth TX Module.

I would say this. If you want to spend some quality time alone with you and your radio, the 9Z is a great choice. Programming is more complicated but you can do anything you can dream up. It is also, IMHO a much more quality box (at least on the outside)

If you want a radio that is easy to program, will do most everything (probably enough for many years of use) and will save you at least $500 get the 9C. It is a GREAT radio. I picked it up, never flying a helicopter before, and programmed mine. I NEVER opened the manual. Our local "pro" said, change your Pitch Curve and Throttle Curve. Simple, I found it on the menu and adjusted. It was SO EASY.

Hope this helps a little.

Derek
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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scroller
Senior Heliman
Location: Paradise, CA

differences

Derek,
What specific differences between the 9C and the 9Z did you use and find helpful when you upgraded? What did you find lacking in the 9C that made you decide it was worth the upgrade. I am trying to decide between the two radios myself but don't know if I would even use the extra functions that the 9Z has. I'm a little lacking on money right now for the 9Z and for $500.00 difference it would have to be quite a lot better for me. Thanks.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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dbackus
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

It was more of an "I want the best" type of upgrade. There was no good reason at all for me to do it. I REALLY wanted the frequency module. For me that is the big "upgraded" feature.

If I were you, I'd save the money and get a 9C. I was very happy with that radio. The 9Z *feels* like it's worth twice as much, but I'm not sure if it really is. You can always sell it on eBay and get a 9Z later if you want (I just got $325 for mine -- just the TX and charger)

Derek
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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hpilotrc
Veteran
Location: NY--->>Mooresville, NC USA 8/2005

R/C Heli MUST HAVES! Futaba 9Z, GV-1, and the XCell Fury!

Don't compare a 9C to the 9Z. Just open them up and you can see the difference! The 9Z is a solid transmitter with sophisticated electronics and computing power. The 9C is empty and depends mostly on its built-in firmware.

Just look at the display differences and feel the quality of a $850 transmitter (9Z only is available)! Where else can you also get a Frequency Synthesizer which is programmable from the display panel?

Don't get me wrong the 9C is a nice radio....but it doesn't come close to the quality of the 9Z.

http://hometown.aol.com/hpilotrc/RCPage.html

Michael
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

One thing that concerns me is how hard or tedious it is to set the 13 point curves as compared to the 5 point curve .
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.
Don't compare a 9C to the 9Z. Just open them up and you can see the difference! The 9Z is a solid transmitter with sophisticated electronics and computing power. The 9C is empty and depends mostly on its built-in firmware


Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue about electronics and
embedded programming.

Perhaps the 9C is empty because it is more recently designed
and it's electronics are more highly integrated than the Z series.

It costs a alot of $$ to redesign something like the Z whereas
incremental improvements of the type we've seen over the last
2-3 cycles are cheap (ie. slight exterior changes and slight
internal programming changes).

And if the 9Z ISN'T running 'firmware', what is it running on
it's 'sophisticated computing power'?
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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ChicoNick
Heliman
Location: Chico CA

What would you need all that 'sophisticated computing power' for if you are running a HH gyro and a GV-1. I dont know of anything that that is realy needed that you couldn't get from a $500 radio like the 9C, Stylus, RD6000 ect. What do you guys think? Maby I am missing something. I'll be waiting for the flames,

Nick
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

if that was true, then we'd all be happy w/ pre-programmed
computers and have no need to either write our own software
or buy/use 3rd party.
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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ChicoNick
Heliman
Location: Chico CA

I am aware that both the 10X and 9Z have alot more features than the 9C but of those features, it seams to me that you wont use many them. I could be wrong (I don't have either the 10X or 9Z), but I cant think of any other features I want. I know that I don't use the full potential of my Stylus. I would love to have the synth. that is on the 9Z. Can anyone name some other features that the high end radios have that the others don't and that you would actually use? This is a serious question, maby it is worth up grading. Regarding the GV-1, I was under the impression that it was more acurate than even a 13 point pitch/throtle curve? Again maby I am wrong. I am sure someone will let me know that I am wrong even though I am alwalys right ,

Nick
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Itsindilas
Veteran
Location: Greece-Athens

I disagree DavidH and I agree with ChicoNick, as far as I understand the most usefull future of the 9Z series is the privilege of customising all the available switches and all the available channels and available mixes. Yes it is the most sophisticated radio system. But it would be better to start from the begining. We have to carefully setup the minimun requirements of a sophisticated Heli RC system.
What do we need to fly 3D?
IMO we need a 7 channel radio system with a GV1 and a good HH gyro. I said 7 channel cause we have to control GV1 and the dual rate of HH gyro. What is very important for me is the position of the switches and the TX shape. This is up to my personal preference but JR systems have better stick and they are more ergonomic. Of course there are some guys having a huge fleet. Here it is needed a system capable in storing several models.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of the older radios like JR 347, 388 have limited storage capability (8UHP systems are the value for money system IMO due to their CAMPAK memory capability).

Someone could say that this guy can't afford to buy 9Z or equivelant and fight against. But that is not the reason. I could say also the opposite. This guy made the mistake and he spend 1000$ for this state of art radio and now doesn't admit that the vast majority of the available features are useless for him. Or that it would be better to spend those money in buying a Hi end heli.

Set the following two poles by asking:

1. If you were asked to evaluate the way you use your hi-end radio system, could you give a percentage?
2. Do you think that more or less one of the main reasons of having in your service your 9Z or 10SX is the advanced storage model capability or not?

My assesment is that it will be around 50%. How many they setup the 5 point revolution curves for the different flying modes and how many they use the 13 points? How many of the ZAP owners they use HH gyros and governors? And there are plenty other questions that the average user could set. It's obvious that the the 50% I assesed above is very optimistic.
03-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Brian Weekley
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

9Z

The way I have it figured the 9Z is the cheapest radio you can own.

I bought my first 9Z in 1983 for $884 complete. I sold it in 2001 for $580 and I kept 4 servos, 1 battery pack and a PCM receiver out of the original deal. The receiver would sell for $100, the 5 servos (9101's) are worth another $100 and the battery pack is still good but worthless. That means I got $580 cash plus $200 in radio gear for a total of $780.

As I paid $884 for the radio that means that I got 8 years of use out of the "top dog" radio for $104 or $13 per year. Now put those numbers in your wife's pipe and tell her to smoke it as you order your new 9Z.

Top quality gear always comes out least cost in the long run.

Hey ... With this post I just graduated from "Junior Member" to "Member" .... Does this mean you all like me!!!!! .... Aw schucks
03-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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