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Crashed? Discussion and Photos > Is crashing part of day to day RC Helis life?
 
 
rob_jones
Key Veteran
Location: Oglethorpe, GA

An antecdote

This is sorta related to the topic, so I think I can get away with posting it here.

This talk about the maintanence and upkeep of helis (especially in comparison to fixed-wing) reminds me of a funny (to me, anyway) story. Years ago I used to fly -um, hover- at a predominately heli field south of Atlanta. Every so often a plank flier would show up. Eventually they would notice the amount of time spent tweaking and adjusting our machines. Anybody who flies planks knows how little maintanence your average sport airplane needs. You can basically just fuel it and go.

Well, one day this plank flier showed up and after watching a few trimming flights and subsequent tracking adjustments asked "Say, don't you guys ever work on your stuff at home?"

How naive!! If he only knew!

Anyway, I've always thought that was really funny.

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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
11-23-2001 Over year old.
 
 
WhiteRussian
Senior Heliman
Location: Wilmington, DE

Crash????

I've never crashed. But, on occassion, my heli has been brutally attacked by the ground!

Best,
11-24-2001 Over year old.
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HighFlier
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL.

Re: Crash????

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bpasternak
[B]I've never crashed. But, on occassion, my heli has been brutally attacked by the ground!

Yeah the ground is cruel to us all once in awhile. As far as crashes go we all have mishaps, weather it b dumb thumbs or mechanical. I would hav to say that the Sim does help in learning a new maneuver,which in turn keeps the crash ratio down to a minimum. A fellow flier tells me all the time, quoting Mike Mas "If you are comfortable flying you are not learning." When I think about it, the only thing that kills me, is you have to grow the "BRASS BALLS" to fly high enough to learn all the GREAT moves. Only to come back down as close to the ground as possible. Go figure?
Ken
Keep'm Fly'n
11-24-2001 Over year old.
 
 
buzzkill
Senior Heliman
Location: Portland, Oregon. Astoria Oregon

Since you asked...

I didn't crash for over a year when i started, something like 100+ flights. But i did not push the envelope too hard - quite the opposite. I was very, very cautious. I don't beleive that crashing is (or should) be a normal part of learning to fly heli's. You don't see people learning full size aviation by crashing over and over do you? And I think learning to fly r/c heli's takes the kind of skill, attention to detail, and seriousness (word?) as full size. These are not toys like other areas of the r/c hobby - which sets it apart. These are serious machines that command respect.

I pushed the envelope on the simulator, but tried new things for 'real' only after I felt very comfortable with the current thing I was working before I went on to the next thing. try the PPP from ircha. part of this 'go slow' was probably because I learned on a TSK 46, which flew great but was very expensive to fix. I can afford the hobby, but that doesn't mean I can throw money down the tubes doing it.

The exception I found to the above is autorotations. I could shoot them all day on the simulator, but doing them for real was hard, and I botched quite a few of them. So i bought a raptor for this :-). You'll do 50 good ones in a row, and number 51 with be a total. I wasn't afraid of crashing the rappy, and i think that helped. If you can't get good at auto's on raptor you should be set, since raptors don't auto that great (t least mine doesn't).

I also think (opinion only) that accepting a lot of crashes leads to (or is a symptom of) being sloppy - aka 'sh*tty wrench award'. I have seen a lot of crashes blamed on 'mechanical failure' that could have been caught by a thorough pre-flight, preventative maintenance, or just slowing down a bit. You have probably seen this person at fun-fly's - jumping from brand to brand, with the last brand of kit they totalled being a 'piece of crap'.

When you do crash - do a serious post-mortem and figure out what happened and try to prevent it. Don't just see how fast you can get replacement parts and get it back in the air. If you are getting ahead of yourself, admit it and go back and practice. if something failed mechanically - find the root cause before you fly again. I keep a logbook to help me track stuff like this (see www.sportys.com Pilot's Flight Log and Record )

Just my $.02

george
11-24-2001 Over year old.
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Bezjak
Heliman
Location: Boca Raton, FL

So, do helis really crash more than planes?

I don't think anyone really has the time or patience to collect the data to find out. However, I think that planes an advantage in that a marginal landing where you nick the ends off a prop does not count as a crash in most peoples eyes. With helicopters there is really no gray area. After a landing, either everything is in the same shape as it was when you took off, or all of the long pieces (and maybe some of the shorter ones) have a bend in them.

Greg

Its my first post, just had to try the smilie.
11-24-2001 Over year old.
 
 
buzzkill
Senior Heliman
Location: Portland, Oregon. Astoria Oregon

Thats not totally true. I have had a boom strike that dented the top of the boom but caused no other damage. Hard landings that only bent the feathering shaft, etc. so there are 'minor' crashes with heli's.

Its just that the major crashes with a heli usual come with high style points.


george
11-25-2001 Over year old.
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Bezjak
Heliman
Location: Boca Raton, FL

Well then I guess I am nothing if not stylish. Most of my repairs have required a crash kit plus a few other items.

On the other hand, back when I was learning autos with a Nexus, I put the tail in the dirt a few times, costing me just the main gear. You could say that this was equivalent to nicking the prop on a plank.

Greg
11-25-2001 Over year old.
 
 
xcelllogo
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego

Crashing

I just think that we all know we are going to crash sooner or later and having a good attitude about it is the way to go. I have seen airplane guys crash a plane and walk up to it take pictures for the obitchary section of their upcoming flier and then cry a little, then salute and then get a stretcher. Ok I am stretching it but not far off. To say we crash more is fair but I was just at my local field and in the 2 hrs I was there I saw 2 emergency landings 3 crashes and a ohhh my gosh hit the deck out of control plank.

Adam
www.sdheli.com
12-02-2001 Over year old.
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omurru
Veteran
Location: Australia

Never crashed me plane or heli and I been flying over a year now

But there was that time when I buggered up agound that corner with my plane about 2 foot off the long grass (no damage though) and about 100 million dead stick landings (pushing a trainer too far with a dodgy engine, have better now)

but appart from that no serious crashes...yet :P
12-04-2001 Over year old.
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jbrundt
Veteran
Location: St. Charles, MO

heli crashing

I just stuffed my Nexus the other day. It was spectacular too. First heli crash for me in a few years. I was pushing the envelope, did a loop too low, forgot to add more back cyclic on the tail end and slammed it nose first into the dirt. The main mast bent almost 45 degrees. It was awesome to say the least.

Point is if you build 'em you're gonna fly 'em and if you fly 'em you're gonna break 'em. Hopefully we learn from the crash. I wasn't upset about it. I was having a ball doing loops rools, 540's etc. beforehand.

I fly planes too, though I haven't crashed one for several years now. Came close a few times but there too I was pushing the envelope. I think as your skill and experience progresses the crash rate decreases. But it can happen at any time. Do you think Curtis Youngblood hasn't had his share of crashes? The more you fly the more opportunity there is for something to happen; dumb thumbs, equipment failure or just plain bad luck. Nothing is totally safe or crashproof. if it were we wouldn't need the NTSB.

Jeff
12-05-2001 Over year old.
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vigor 73
Heliman
Location:

Crashing

I used to crash a couple of times a month. I went to Todd Bennett's Freestyle3d helicopter school and that crashing has slowed waaaaaaay down. He teaches you how to get out of stuff when you get into trouble. It changes the way you think about flying.
12-09-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Heli-Driver
Elite Veteran
Location: Arlington, TX

Crashing Heli's versus Plankers

Ever see the remains of a heli in a flying field trash can?

We have 3 large trash cans (55 gal drums) at our field and I can tell you first hand that I regularly see it stuffed with the remains of someone's ill fated plane.

At my field, there are much more airplane crashes than helis. Granted, there is a much higher percentage of plankers but a typical day at my field usually produces at least 3 crashed planes. It is rare for the helis to crash.





Raymond

Predator Gasser SE/231 X 2
Century Helicopters
12-09-2001 Over year old.
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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Raptor Driver,
Yes I seen on in this trash can
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Naomi
12-25-2001 Over year old.
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coop
Senior Heliman
Location: Bainbridge, NY

Heli_Gal.....I'd like to find that Bergen Intrepid in our clubs trash can......Coop
12-25-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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