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HS748
Senior Heliman
Location: online

Hi,

Do you guys ever feel "guilty" with the fact that we spend big $$$ on a hobby, and many people in the world can't even feed or house themselves?

In the past, I would never have given this a second thought! I have travelled to Central America twice in the past few years and got to see how other people survive. Many of the people I met in Belize have little money, small houses that we would call a tool shed, and no luxury items at all. Yet, most seem to be happier than alot of the people I know in North America who drive SUV's, live in big houses, etc. It seems the more we have, the more we want, and we are never really satisfied? (gotta out do the Jones family, right!?!?!?)

Not sure what my point is, but are we doing something wrong? Is the high pace/pressure of our lives worth the rewards we get, or do we need to "tone down" our lifestlyes?

That's it.


Later,

Jarrett
08-17-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sp00ky
Senior Heliman
Location: CHRISTCHRUCH, NZ

kinda tough one aint it..

Have to say, its something ive thought about as well.

Its sad, but theres always going to be suffering, and those less fortunate than you. Ive tried to do my bit with the child sponsorship thing and at the end of the day, its two fifths of "f" all when you look at the bigger picture. (Thats not to say all those little bits dont help, they do)

Sure, my hobbies an expensive one, and im sure all that money could be better spent on feeding the hungry and helping the needy but where does it end. Guilty, nope, not a bit, Is it my fault ive been presented with better opportunity than someone halfway across the world?.. nope.

I really feel for people that dont have a good start in life and are subject to **** living conditions, slave labour, poverty and hunger, but i dont feel guilty for doing what i do whilst others go without. Some things just arent within my control and toning down my lifestyles not going to do anything to help these peaople

Im gonna get shat on now arent i!
08-17-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sar
Elite Veteran
Location: Kingston, NY

Glad I'm not the only one who has contemplated this. I don't feel guilty, but I do feel very fortunate that I was born in a country that has allowed my folks and now in these later years, myself, to provide and earn the basics of life, as well as some of the luxuries to boot.

It is unfortunate that there are millions of people who will not experience these things. I don't think we can feel guilty for who we are, or what we have been blessed with, but we can put an effort in to make things better for those less fortunate. The problem I have is "where to start?"

Funding a child is noble cause, however I fear many of these Christian Childrens Fund TYPE groups run like many NPOs and make a ton of money for themselves while investing the minimum amount possible in their services. The overdressed/overfed guy/gal standing in front of unclothed starving children convinces me of this more. These people feed on your guilt, and offer to take it from you for a few measly bucks.

The only real resolution to this kind of a problem is going to be for goverments to decide to put an end to the starvation, disease and lack of education and step in to resolve this. I don't think they will do this until it is to their political advantage, and even then they would do the minimum possible. It is a major global problem, requiring global action with no chance for resolution in the near future.

Oh, and the people with less who seem generally happier? When you don't have a lot of "stuff" to distract you in life, you spend more time with friends and family, and you find true happiness is not based on how much stuff you own, or how much money you have. It is more often than not based on your communication and companionship with other human beings.

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Jon
08-17-2003 Over year old.
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A. Bundy
Elite Veteran
Location: Aurora,IL. 30W/SW of Chicago

Yes.We won the birth lotto.Very fortunate.
08-17-2003 Over year old.
 
 
layman
Senior Heliman
Location: Kaohsiung, Taiwan

Well, I consider myself lucky not to be born in one of those countries and know and dream about ever flying an RC heli
08-17-2003 Over year old.
 
 
plumlazy
Heliman
Location: Columbia, S.C., Usa.

For you guys to take the time and have the insight to consider others less fortunate throughout the world shows that you have good hearts.

On a brighter side also consider this. Think about all of the jobs that you are creating and supporting with your expensive hobby. It might suprise you how many families that you are actually feeding throughout different parts of the world.

My best guess is that many of the 3rd world countries that have the poorest populations are in large part put in that predicament because of corrupt leadership.

It's good to have empathy/sympathy for those less fortunate. But, one thing's for certain, you are providing quite a few jobs when you spend your hard earned cash on your hobby.

For the americans here, be thankful for our great nation and our government with all it shortcomings, it still seems to have enough checks and balances to allow it's citizens to be citizens and not subjects.

Be thankful and continue to have a good heart.

Continue to be aware that even a pseudo democracy is better than socialism. Free trade, capitalism, and the right to bear arms is a good and necessary thing for a democracy's survival (consider the alternative) and was written by our founders for a reason. Do not give it up, many have protected it throughout the years. Be willing to fight to remain citizens and not become subjects.

Enjoy the fruits of your labors and of those that have come before you. Be aware of the jobs that you are creating and the families that you are supporting.

I am also interested in what role the internet will play in the years to come as people all over the world continue to get to know one another. The possibillities that can come from this communication might prove to be astounding in a good way. I hope to live long enough to see some of it.

Go fly.
08-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
driftrider
Veteran
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA. (In my own little world)

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The only real resolution to this kind of a problem is going to be for goverments to decide to put an end to the starvation, disease and lack of education and step in to resolve this. I don't think they will do this until it is to their political advantage, and even then they would do the minimum possible. It is a major global problem, requiring global action with no chance for resolution in the near future.


So you'd prefer socialism (which is just a nicer word for communism), where the government forces everybody to be equally miserable. Remember, in the end, the only ones to benefit from socialism are the ones priveleged enough to be running the show, because socialism breeds corruption, oppression, inefficiency and a lack of genuine innovation and motivation within the government and general populace. One has to look no further that China, North Korea, or the former USSR to see how well socialiam/communism works. And if you believe their lies about socialism being a true democracy, then you are either very nieve, very blind or very stupid.

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Continue to be aware that even a pseudo democracy is better than socialism. Free trade, capitalism, and the right to bear arms is a good and necessary thing for a democracy's survival (consider the alternative) and was written by our founders for a reason. Do not give it up, many have protected it throughout the years. Be willing to fight to remain citizens and not become subjects.


Amen to that! The fact that we aren't micromanaged by our government (yet) is what has made the USA the greatest, most powerful, and most prosperous country in recorded history. But the socialists (they call themselves democrats here, but most are genuine socialists if you bother to peek through their smoke and mirrors), are attempting to see to it that this country plunges into the pit of socialist engineering where every one is rendered helplessly dependent on the government for everything. One could only hope that sometime soon our country comes to its senses and elects a Libertarian congress and/or president. The Republican party isn't much better anymore. After 9/11 we've seen a great deal of our personal liberty corroded or destroyed in the name of safety and counter-terrorism. The so-called Patriot Act is perhaps the scariest piece of legislation ever enacted, with the 1994 Brady bill being close behind. The libertarians are the only ones who truly believe in personal and economic liberty over powerful government, but they are squelched by the power hungry major parties and can hardly get on a ballot, let alone get the word out about their platform. I'd encourage anyone who's interested to check the Libertarian Party out at www.lp.org.

As for feeling sorry for the less fortunate in third world countries, I, too have seen the way the people of third world countries live so in a way I do feel sorry for them because it's usually their corrupt government that keeps them that way. But I don't feel that it's the governments job or business to step on everybodies liberties for "their own good." Remember, the United States of America used to be a "third-world" country too. But it was genuine personal and economic freedom that allowed us to rise up to the level of prosperity we enjoy today, not the micromanagement of our government.

Mike
08-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sar
Elite Veteran
Location: Kingston, NY

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So you'd prefer socialism (which is just a nicer word for communism)


Driftrider,

Don't EVER put words in my mouth please, particularly those.

It is possible to assist others without being socialists or communists. At no point did I ever say everyone should be equal wealth, equal education, or equal in anything, I don't know where you got that from. What you distorted so horribly and labled me as a commie for was simply saying that any goverment would not put forth a grand effort to do anything about these issues until it was to their advantage. The reds aren't comming to get you, yet, calm down.

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Jon
08-19-2003 Over year old.
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layman
Senior Heliman
Location: Kaohsiung, Taiwan

When did this thread turn political??
08-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
aaronredbaron
Senior Heliman
Location: West Linn, OR, USA

heres part of the problem

you see you and I who feel like this about the deplorable living conditions in parts of the world, tend to not be the same charismatic people who are in power. lets not even get into the fact that most of civilization is living a unsustainable lifestyle, or that every auto on the plante averages putting out its weight in carbon dioide into the atmosphere every year. the fact of the matter is there is a lot wrong and if you spend too much time worrying about it, you will find yourself in a downward spiral. I say take the facts into account, don't deney they exsist, but don't let them get to you. remember "think globaly, act locally" you may not be able to do much about the people in belise, but if it makes you feel better, I bet there are things you can do locally to make an impact. as for me I think we are screwed, maybe not in my lifetime, or my childrens, but if we don't change things on a global scale, things are going to continue with the current momentum. I say FLY RC and PARTY WHILE the SHIP GOES DOWN!!!!!!!
08-19-2003 Over year old.
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driftrider
Veteran
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA. (In my own little world)

I didn't put words into your mouth...

You said, and again I quote:

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The only real resolution to this kind of a problem is going to be for goverments to decide to put an end to the starvation, disease and lack of education and step in to resolve this.


If this isn't a stealth endorsement of socialism, then what exactly do you want the governments to do to fix these problems without resorting to socialism? I was meerly pointing out that everyone would be far better off if the governments would step back and NOT try to fix all the people's ills.

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The reds aren't comming to get you, yet, calm down.


They may not be chasing me down the street or trying to send me off for "re-education," (yet) but if you believe that the socialists/communists aren't actively trying to undermine our liberties then you are very deluded indeed. If you want to see just how badly the socialists are trying to take over read up on the ideas and social policy of Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Diane Feinstein, Joe Lieberman, Howard Dean and the rest of the left-wing socialist elite in office. Just visit any public school or university campus and you'll see the handiwork of liberal socialists almost everywhere you look, you just have to open your eyes. It's becoming more and more common for liberal judges to bypass our nations legislative process and create liberal public policy from the bench.

The point I was trying to make was that there are a lot of people, like you, who don't believe in socialism and know it's the wrong way to run a government and dangerous to personal liberty, but have become so numb to its influence that it has been allowed to slowly creep into the fabric of our nation. If people don't wake up and see what's happening soon, then there very well might be reds coming to get us sometime in the not-so-distant future.

Mike
08-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

god.. i hope hillarymonster doesnt get elected president.. if she does, we are ALL screwed... we will be .. well fu#*ed

jim

http://jimsrc.com
08-19-2003 Over year old.
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Sp00ky
Senior Heliman
Location: CHRISTCHRUCH, NZ

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/bail
08-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Sar
Elite Veteran
Location: Kingston, NY

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If this isn't a stealth endorsement of socialism, then what exactly do you want the governments to do to fix these problems without resorting to socialism? I was meerly pointing out that everyone would be far better off if the governments would step back and NOT try to fix all the people's ills.


Yes I'm secretely employed by the socialist to undermine you with stealth secret hidden messages on a bloody helicopter board.

You don't have to fix everyones ills, you simply couldn't even if you wanted to, but you can provide simple things like education to some of the populous and maybe in quite a few generations their society will evolve.


Edit:
And if it puts you at ease, yes, I see every day how the socialistic(does that fit) agenda is pushed under different guises in the US, and how different little things change over time which equal major changes in the long run. I see how folks will sacrifice their freedom willingly for a little bit of security, I see how we're SUPPOSED to feel guilty that we have what we have when other don't, otherwise we're horrible people. I see how the goverment would love for us to be their sheep, happily munching on grass under the CCD surveyed grasslands. I think you misunderstand me, having compasion doesn't make you a socialist or a communist, it makes you a human.

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Jon
08-19-2003 Over year old.
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bjpaul
Heliman
Location: Longwood, FL USA

The guy that started this thread also has cross-posted this thread on Ezone, and who knows where else.

He is either a gilt ridden Canuck or a pretty good troll, as he sure got you guys to bite.

Don't feed the trolls.........

Brad
08-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
debogus
Senior Heliman
Location: Beaumont,peoples republic of mexifornia

Nothing that another beer wont fix

Quote:"I think you misunderstand me, having compasion doesn't make you a socialist or a communist, it makes you a human"

Oh great now I find the truth " I'm not Human"
compasion
Im so desenthisised with all that liberal, youve got so much they have so little crap.
Now I realize I dont care! If you dont like it fix it !
Im learning to like kaos
Dave
08-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
AdamH
Senior Heliman
Location: Northeast England

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as for me I think we are screwed, maybe not in my lifetime, or my childrens, but if we don't change things on a global scale, things are going to continue with the current momentum. I say FLY RC and PARTY WHILE the SHIP GOES DOWN!!!!!!!




on a tv programme the other night it said that if everyone in the world had the same lifestyle as the average western european then we would need the natural resorces of 3 more planet earths and if everyone had the same lifestyle as the average american then we'd need 5 more.
08-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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