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Twobeers
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

Yes I have 2 of the Futaba heavy duty switches. Pop it open and take a look. They are switching both sides of the power. Who was it, Donlynn? Yes it was, you said you measured a 100mv drop across the switch. Thats .1V! If your test equipment is relatively accurate that is a significant drop. Remember your dealing with a nominal voltage of 4.8 to start with. My point is this. Its not necessary to switch both sides of the battery power. Does your cars system switch both sides of the battery power to turn the car on or off? No. Does your household light switch, switch both sides of the line? No. So why not double up and have a little redundacy in the switch?

I lost my infamous tag line.
10-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
hyflyr
Senior Heliman
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

The latest Futaba Heavy duty switches I have in fact have both throws wired in parallel. They are only switching the red power lead and come with the black leads soldered together and totally bypass the switch.
10-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Vinnie
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami Beach, Florida

Yes

I see what you all mean now.

I was getting 8 solid flights on the 3000mAh pack but it wasn't enough for me, and it took forever to quick charge the pack at the field. I carry a spare pack but its a pain to remove the canopy , undo the wiring setup, and switch batteries.

I've gotten off of NiCds for the Fury and switched to a Thunder Power lithium polymer 2s4p 8000mAh stick (!) with a 5.4V regulator, there are details about this here:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t70281p1/

Even under a full load (all servos working) the voltage only drops to 5.38 minimum with the regulator.

The regulator has a fail-safe safety switch that requires the circuit be CLOSED in order to remove power from the receiver side. The switch that came with the regulator didn't fit, so I adapted the Futaba heavy duty switch for this task. Note that the voltage drop issue with the Futaba switch is completely avoided in this case, because now the switch is used to control the electronic switch in the regulator, instead of directly controlling current from the battery.
11-03-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Ben74
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Beach, CA

hi all. here's a little test i did that might add something to this thread. i used a device called a wattmeter (sold by astroflight for hobby purposes) to measure the current draw on my predator max. the wattmeter shows voltage, current, watts, and Ah consumed. the wattmeter was connected between the 2400mah NiCd battery and the receiver. the heli has three 9252 servos on the cyclic and a 601/9251 on the tail. the Rx is an 8 channel PCM futaba. at rest with the heli on, the system was consuming only 1 watt. holding the tail and rapidly wagging it back and forth caused the current consumption to rise to about 0.1A. this shows that the gyro itself is not consuming much current at all. next, i put my hand on the swashplate and pushed down hard. current consumption went to about 2A. pumping the collective up and down while pushing down hard on the swashplate caused brief peaks of up to 2.5A. however, i doubt that the swashplate ever sees the kind of load i was putting on it during this test. i was pushing quite hard, and did not want to push harder for fear of breaking something on the heli. the purpose of this test was to find the peak current draw, not the average draw so it's not highly relevant to this thread, but i thought i'd add it anyway. if i wanted to, i could go for a whole flight with the wattmeter attached and get an accurate measurement of how much energy was consumed in hard flying. however, i don't think that's really necessary.
11-03-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Ben74,

that sound really interesting. The peak current is the other very important variable when we look at this power supply system.
I really think it is worth persuing more real flight tests with this device you have. If it would not make any trouble I would like to ask you to connected to your 601/9251 combo and do a flight with some very aggressive tail moves, very erratic and sudden. I am very curious what peak current that would cause. Furthermore once you get a reading of that could you then connect the device to the battery and measure the total peak current in flight when doing some ver aggressive pioretting pitch pumps. Again I am very curious what reading you get. From these
measurements we can acurately conclude the demnand of the electrical system.

Cheers

Kay


...it's the tail servo that sucks the current, not the gyro...


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
11-03-2003 Over year old.
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Ben74
Senior Heliman
Location: Long Beach, CA

hi kay. the wattmeter won't actually record peak current. it only displays it in realtime. the only parameter it can record over time is amp hours (Ah) consumed. one could generate a graph of current over time if there was a wireless camera pointed at the wattmeter's display. this has been done before, but usually to monitor an electric heli's power system, not the radio system.

there are devices out there that can record current and voltage over time, and download the data to a computer after the flight. they're a little pricey though. i see ads for them in the RC magazines once in a while. here's one of them:

http://www.eagletreesystems.com
11-03-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Well, after some intense search on the Internet I finally came
across this fine unit. Offered by a small German company.
I took the freedom to translate the description form German.
I hope it does make sense.






This all new developed unit offers full insight over the charge
condition of two Independent receiver battery packs.
The AW 2 plus memorizes the consumed capacity and displays
the result as a mAh figure on the display separately for each
battery pack
. This measured figure remains stored even
after removing power from the circuitry until the user resets it.
Furthermore the display can be configured to show the actual
current consumption in mA and the actual voltage reading in V.
Also the occurrence of the consumed peak current during
operation can be displayed independently for each battery pack
and is stored in memory
until user reset. The Aw 2 identifies
which number of cells are connected (4 or 5 cell). When ordering
you must define the number of cell you want to use this unit with.
The operation of this unit is self-explanatory and comfortable
accessed via display and push button. The max. current permitted
to flow through this unit is limited to 20 Ampere ! With the AW 2
you have two order options to choose from different style high
quality rocker / toggle switches with gold plated contacts.
(contact resistance below 10 Milliohms) You can also connect
a LED Flasher for indication of battery condition.

Switch cable and LED Flasher are sold separately.

more testing to come soon

another 2 cent (if you want to get things done - do'em yourself)

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
12-31-2003 Over year old.
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Coloradoheli3d
Senior Heliman
Location: Colorado USA

Hanger 9 builds a inline amp and volt meter for futaba and jr, it works great and you can realy see a bind on any of your servos or just see what all of them moving do at once. I was getting around 2 amps of drain with my Pro2k's and lil over 3 amps on my Tempest. I got this unit from my local hobby shop, they also build on for just volts. But I was also looking for amp drain on the battery.
12-31-2003 Over year old.
 
 
tabbytabb
Elite Veteran
Location: seattle

I just wanted to add, I did some testing on the bench with my R50 and with 9252's, TJ pro/9253 on throttle, 601, and a 1200 lipo pack with 5.4 regulator I was seeing spikes of 3amps under no load situations. This is just stirring the sticks as fast as I can.

Tabb
10-14-2004 Over year old.
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FBaity
Senior Heliman
Location: Tuscaloosa, AL

KCT, please refer to this link:http://www.ronlund.com/faqs.htm About the 4th item down. Starts with “I use all Digital Servos”
10-14-2004 Over year old.
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

Some year ago there was a similar thread asking this [Ah it was actually this thread, someone bumped it up]. I made an overview of the results on myy webpage

overview of servo power usage
10-14-2004 Over year old.
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w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

I currently use all digital on myy raptor50. I now have a regulated 3000 LiPo pack and I can make easily 7 flights with that. With NiCds the pack voltage would be dropping too far already after 3 flights.
10-14-2004 Over year old.
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AirWolfRC
rrProfessor
Location: 42˝ N, 83˝ W

Hmmm, yes, that is my chart that you open with. I have expanded it quite a bit since then.

It can be found on www.AirWolfRC.com and clicking the " Average Current Consumption" link on the lower right of the page.

Wolfgang
10-14-2004 Over year old.
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KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

FBaity,

nice article, especially the link to the 'electrical engineers'
writeup. I have nothing to add to that. All well worded and
nicely backed up by some additional data. I like it.

AirWolfRC,

would you like to share your updated Chart with us here on
RR and actually post it here ?


Gregory,

check your PM, but next time do a search first, you would
be amazed that you can actually find this yourself.

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
10-15-2004 Over year old.
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AirWolfRC
rrProfessor
Location: 42˝ N, 83˝ W

My chart is out there for the clicking.

It can be found on www.AirWolfRC.com and clicking the " Average Current Consumption" link on the lower right of the page.

Wolfgang
10-15-2004 Over year old.
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KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Cool, found it.




That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
10-15-2004 Over year old.
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

As another data point, after almost five gallons through my Predator Gasser with all digital servos (3 x 9252, 2 x 9254), JR 500T, and GV-1 with a 5.4 V regulated Li-Ion pack, I still consistently use just over 600 mAh per 25 min flight. That works out to an average of 1.44 A.

- John
10-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

Thanks Kos, we didn't have a gasser on the list yet.
10-15-2004 Over year old.
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vince
Senior Heliman
Location: Victoria BC Canada

About 500 is what I suck out of a pack on my 91 extreme after a hard flight.
I use 1700 au cells and I charge after two flights or 3 mellow ones. after 2 flights the pack is 4.84 under a 1 amp load. 3 mellow its 4.6 under a amp load.
10-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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