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e-Ikarus Piccolo-Eco 8/16 > Best motor for piccolo pro ?
 
 
noname
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Hi!

I'm about to buy a piccolo pro and I want to get the most powerfull motor it can handle; I want it to be fully 3D capable and my main concern is I fly at 9000' MSL.

Which motor do you guys suggest I get ?

Also, are there any upgrades that I should consider buying that actually improve flight performance ?

I'll be using a 9Z WCII radio w/synth module ... will this cause any problems or is there anything I should be aware about ?

Any other equipment suggestions and/or comments regarding the piccolo pro are welcome
07-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
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Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

Here is what I suggest for the best preformance with out going too crazy on upgrades.

Pic Pro Kit
PMP Aluminum Head
2x HS50 for cyclic
1x HS55 for pitch
Castle Creations Phoinex 10 brushless controller
Schulze Slim 105He(for tail)
Hacker B20-18L(8 tooth pinion)
Futaba GY240
3 cell Etech 1200mah packs
Deans whip antenna

With this setup, expect long flight times(12-15 mins) with raw for most of it. Dont be surprised if this little guy climbs faster than your nitro ship, the Pic Pro is a beast. Try your best to keep things light and remove excess wires(neatly).

Your transmitter is fine and it will work but not with a Berg 5, unless the maker fixed that problem.

Here is a pic of my Pro to give you an idea of how to install the components.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/atta...&postid=1119550

Carlo
07-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
noname
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Carlo,

Thanks for replying to my post ...

I have a couple of other questions you might be able to help me with:
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2x HS50 for cyclic
1x HS55 for pitch


Why not go for 3x HS50 as they're lighter than the 55's ? ... Won't a 50 have enough torque for pitch ?

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Futaba GY240

Isn't the GY201 much more heavy than the CSM HLG200 HH gyro ? How much better tail performance will the GY201 have compared to the CSM ?

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Hacker B20-18L(8 tooth pinion)

What's the difference between the 18L and the 31s ? ... is the 18L more powerfull ?

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PMP Aluminum Head

I have no problems buying very expensive helis (as my current fleet will show), but somehow I do get these guilt episodes when I spend over $20 in some upgrade ... for $80, the PMP Alum Head better be worth it ... is there any other (less expensive) option to deal with this upgrade ? ... I read a post you made saying how you placed CF in the original head, but that also seems kind of complicated

Thanks !
07-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
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Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

I have use 3 HS50s and that setup worked fine but for some reason I decided to try a HS55 on the pitch. I found that I had slightly faster pitch response and I actually like having it so I decided to keep it. Give 3 HS50s a go, that setup is solid.

Ill tell you now that the GY240 is a much better gyro than the CSM. DO some research on the Ezone. You will find that there are some who get it to work and some who dont and for those who do, some end up switching to the GY240s anyways and then finding that the GY was a much better system to use. Oh and so you know the JR410 HH gyro is also a very good gyro to use(this is what Im using), but if I didnt pick this guy up on RR for 50 bucks I would have gotten a GY240. Just so you know I have used a GY240 on other micro and they are really solid.

The 18L does have more umph than the 31s and can dissipate heat faster. Both the 18L and the 31s are good choices with the 8 tooth pinion on 3 Etech 1200's. I recommended teh 18L because that is what I would go with if I had to do it again.

The reason for the PMP head is Aerobatics with an insainly high HS(2500-3000), keep things together. Try the plastic head and then try this head, I guarentee you that the PMP head will improve the way your hleli flys. It is very well made and has bearing for the flybar to go in which makes it very smooth.

The carbon fiber/bakingsoda mod I did was nessary to keep the blades from comming out of track. I and other have found that the flex in the Pic Pro rotor head can cause the blades to go into a flutter and it is not a pretty sight.

Here is an example(from Germany) of almost the exact setup I recommened to you.

http://www.microheli.net/Specials/xpro/xpro_en.htm

Dont forget to check out the movie

Hope this helps.

Carlo
07-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
wildstallionuk
Key Veteran
Location: ENGLAND, FOLKESTONE (NR FRANCE), KENT,

The CSM200 will only work ok with certain esc's, the scultze and both the gws 50 and 100 will work great with the gyro. i have a lot of personal experience in this matter and many hours of tearing my hair while making voltage regulators etc.
07-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
noname
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Location: .

Thanks a lot for your replies !!!

Carlo, I'll go for the setup you suggested !

Just one other thing ... where can I get the "Schulze Slim 105He ? ... the only thing I can find is the Schulze Future 11.20e !!

Will I be ok if I use the GWS ICS50 speed control for the tail motor instead of the Schulze Slim ?

Will I have to buy connectors for the batteries, esc and all those things ?

Also ... are the GWS sub-micro servos any good ? ... should I consider them instead of the HS-50/55 ones ? (they seem to be lighter and they provide more torque than the HS-50!
07-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

The most important thing in the entire tail control system is that controller. THe Schulze Slim 105He is simply the best I have used and I have tried lots of controllers.

They can be purchased here.

http://www2.jonction.net/~icare/motor-controls.htm

I would buy Deans micro polarized connectors for the battey and the controller.

I dont know about the GWS servos, I havent used them.



Carlo
07-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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