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K&B
Senior Heliman
Location: Columbus Ohio

I want to get a new Heli. I want to stay with 30size so I can use the motor and pipe from one of my Raptors. What is the best buy in a 30 size heli? x-cell,raven,shuttle,raptor,hawk or ?.

Thanks Kevin
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
heliman41
Key Veteran
Location: Valparaiso IN. USA

Actually, after careful consideration and seeing this exact Q asked a kazillion times the real Q is: What is the worst heli? Any of your choices are fine, the XL line is harder to repair and costs more,the all plastic helis are easier to repair and cost less. Do you have a tail drive preferance? Some like belt(me), some like tube(me), some prefer wire, tho I have no clue as to why? Look into that when heli shopping and you will find it to be the biggest difference between all of them. The only 1 I havent tried in your choices yet is the Raven but, I like the raptor best so far. It was the easiest to build and setup and frankly flew the best and I REALLY like the tail setup!
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ghost
Heliman
Location: virginia

30 heli

I have an X Cell 30 and love it. Its very smooth and very aerobatic but at a cost. I have upgraded the tail to a tube drive and thrust bearings in the tail. I've also upgraded although not necessary to a uniball clutch system. In your list I didn't see JR's Ergo. If your Radio is CCPM ready, its a good choice. Very low maintance and smooth. I've test flown and helped maintain every heli on your list and all are good choppers. The Raptor is a good choice and cheap to repair but mostly plastic. All are good, its a tough choice, for me I'm an X Cell fan and own other 30s but my X Cell is the flag ship of my fleet in 30 size.
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ExtremelyFurious
Senior Heliman
Location: Mobile, AL

30 size

I hear that the Quick is a real nice heli.
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ExtremelyFurious
Senior Heliman
Location: Mobile, AL

Quick

Hi Dave, I've never owned a quick, but from what I have seen and read they seem to be good choppers. I did see a post where a guy had a problem, wow, we wont even go there. Would you agree, that the one that "exploded in mi air" was most likely a building problem, rather than a manufacturing problem.

Scott
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
K&B
Senior Heliman
Location: Columbus Ohio

Looks like the quick is out.
Thanks Kevin
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
mfendley
Senior Heliman
Location: Saint Marys, GA

"Quick" Explosion

Especially since Irwin was "quick" to blame his demo pilot - and then about a month later introduced a stiffer dampening for 3D use. Curtis was able to wear our the dampeners (don't know if they were the original or improved type) on a Quick in one flight.

There are too many heli manufacturers, who bend over backwards to support their customers to give your hard-earned money to the likes of Irwin.
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

So, where were all you guys (laying out the skinny on Irwin) when I was throwing myself on a grenade at RCU???

Steve
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
mfendley
Senior Heliman
Location: Saint Marys, GA

Some of us didn't have the patience for RCU- - -

I try not to bash someone for bashing sake. I withheld judgement on the Quick until I saw two of them part (one at IRCHA). Every helicopter kit I have put together has the statement in front "Warning blah, blah, not a toy, blah, blah, seek experienced help, etc. " Usually they don't say anything about the heli blowing after even after you assemble it correctly!

Mike
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ExtremelyFurious
Senior Heliman
Location: Mobile, AL

OK,OK, I GIVE!!!

Like I said, just hear-say about quality. I do not and do not plan to own a Quick. My true reccomendation would by to build at least a 50 size, if you already have a few 30 size Raptors. I love my Fury, I'm just not sure about the power to weight ratio of a 30 sized X-cell. My guess is they must be OK or MA would not produce it. On the other hand, a crash is gonna be costly. If you are sticking to 30s because of cost restraints, you might want to stick with the Raptor. It costs what about 30.00 plus your blades to repair after a crash.

Maybe we should ask why are you wanting to upgrade Kevin? What can you afford to spend on a crash? How much time do you have to spend on repairs?

Your Question about "whats the best buy in a 30" , you have already answered, a Raptor. I, think most would agree.

1. Quick to build.
2. Easy to maintain.
3. Quick to repair.
4. Very cheap to repair.
5. Most upgrades available are not needed.
6. Durable
7. Performance


Good luck in making your decision. Don't buy a Quick, I hear they come apart in mid air.

Scott
03-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
K&B
Senior Heliman
Location: Columbus Ohio

I have two Raptors, But for my next heli it will be a raven ccpm30 or a hawk se v2. They get the best bang for the buck from what I have heard.


Thanks for your input.

Kevin
03-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
heliman41
Key Veteran
Location: Valparaiso IN. USA

Ive got the Hawk SE and its a nice plastic 30 heli MUCH better than the reg. hawk ,tons of BBs including thrust BBs on head and tail, all metal balls, metal lower frames, 10mm mainshaft, etc.... it has a wire drive tho... so if you plan to use a HH gyro you might want to also order the tube drive for it as well. Other than that its not a bad choice and its lighter than the XL30, had 1 of them too and it weighed a lb. more or so. It has got to have the easiest building manual ive ever seen as well.
03-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

I think your making a great choice Kevin,
If you get the Raven get the ball bearing upgrade for it as it doesn't come with it like the SE V2 does. Other than that you'll be very happy with either.

Nolan Manley
RREMODELS, KBDD, Magnum Fuel
Stratus, ODIN, K3D, ATOM500, Outrage550, 700N, Vibe.
03-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
MooneyDriver
Veteran
Location: Kent, Ohio

"Quick" answer

All,
I am really enjoying this web site!!!!

I see we've all gotten past the arguments on the Quick, so I thought I'd bring it up again. :*) I bought an assembled Pro 30 on EBay. There was a lot of collective/cyclic interaction which led me to believe it wasn't set up well. (Discovering later that the engine wasn't broken in confirmed this...) The instructions don't provide any help on fine tuning. I found that twisting the anti-rotation ring/pin about 6 degrees solved the problem. There is slight interaction at the top and bottom of collective travel, but this doesn't seem to hurt anything.

I've found that properly set up and built (mine lacked a little loctite here and there) it is a very stable machine. It's heavier and more stable than the Raptor. I've crashed twice (hovering in 30+mph gusts) and all I've had to do is recover my blades and straighten out the flybar! I think it is a great learning ship that, for the most part is well designed. Mine is totally dialed in, balanced, and is a joy to fly. (Woodies, Arcamax, 2700G, 9402's, Futaba PCM, Wildcat 15%) It took me a half a gallon to tune it. I've run two gallons through it since then and haven't had to touch anything. Our resident expert "Chopper" flew it hands-off for for about eight or ten seconds. His opinion was that the Quick is a nice stable machine for learning to hover. My plan is to sell it once I can nose-in and buy a Fury. As far as Irwin goes, don't worry about him. Just order parts off the web site and they show up a day or two later. He's been very helpful to me...
In summary, if I were starting over, I'd still buy the Quick ($300 on EBay) over a NEW Raptor. Have it looked over and flown by an expert before you fly it. Once you're comfortable with nose-in and FF, buy a Fury! They are totally alien!!!!!! (Right, Chopper?)
-Neil
03-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

X-Cell 30

I have an 8 year old X-Cell 30 that has been flown pretty much continuously since it was new, though I fly it less now since I have the Fury. It has been absolutely bullet proof. I have worn out three motors (one OS 32SX, and 2 TT36s) on it and have yet to replace anything other than balls and links on the model. Unless you hit the ground, nothing seems to wear out, it still has the original bearings in the head after all this time. I used to take old 60 graphite tail booms that were damaged and cut them off to fit the 30, but I have three or 4 booms I never used so I stopped saving them. It is very aerobatic BUT it is heavier than the current generation of plastic fantastics and parts are a little more expensive, though easy to come by. If you plan on flying it forever, it's a great buy. If you want a quickie model to smash around while learning, it's probably the wrong model.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Gordie,

Just out of curiosity, how much does your weigh?

Steve
03-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Weight

Steve,
Mine weighs 7Lbs 2 oz, less fuel. Not a lightweight but it flies extremely well and autos OK, even with the 95 gram SAB 500s.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Mine (aka "The Pig") weighs 7.8. I almost had a stroke when the digital scale stopped groaning...

I can't figure it. That stainless MA muffler weighs a ton, and I could probably shave a couple of ounces by going to an NiMH battery pack, but except for a rear t/r servo mount, metal fan, bearings in the clutch bell and roll servo rocker assembly, and the glass 46 canopy (all of which, I think, your's has) the ship is stock. I don't even have a header tank fitted.

It flies fine, and is baby-butt smooth, but she comes down like a rock when you drop collective; and that's at 1800 on the head. Vic is building me a set of 550x60x135g V Blades. I'm hoping the wider chord and reflex airfoil will add enough lift to improve matters somewhat.

Any other ideas?

Steve
03-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Lead 30

Steve,
I have a 5 cell AA pack, 800mah, I think, 401 gyro, no horizontal fin and a cut down carbon vertical fin, light blades, and light TR blades. dual boom struts, skinny MA flybar paddles (the old style) and the old light weight blade grips (the model is so old that it came with those ). It just came out that way......

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
av8er
Senior Heliman
Location: NH, USA

how bout a scedeau?

If u get a raptor and add a muffler and bearing upgrade u are almost at a scedeu 30 which is ready to go and was designed to handle the 50 when u get to that point with a couple upgrades (good to upgrade when ur existing 30 is tired and u have an "accident"). I know a couple people that have built them and like it better. More of a solid machine, smoother, better clutch and swashplate with expandablity. no right or wrong answer but that would be my choice....good luck.
03-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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