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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > X-Cell Gas vs Vario Benzin
 
 
HELIMIXER
Heliman
Location: New Rochelle, NY

Hi all, I'm thinking of getting a gasoline powered heli for months but I'm unable to decide between the Vario Benzin and the X-Cell Gas. Can anyone who has experience on both or either one help me decide. Thanks.
Tony
07-09-2003 Over year old.
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psyctrance
Heliman
Location: Sunnyvale, CA

Had both, Go for the Vario. Even if you don't plan on doing scale, the Vario flew the best, and had more power due to the RC230 motor.

The Vario is a little more expensive, and the instructions are weak. However, the fitment of parts, and quality of construction was well above the X-Cell.

Thanks

Note: Sold my X-Cell to get the Vario, and decided to do a scale Huey. I miss the Pod & Boom version so much that I may buy another one.
07-09-2003 Over year old.
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BIGRCR
Veteran
Location: Easley, South Carolina

The X-Cell Gas Graphite now comes with the Zenoah G-231 which has as much or more power than the 230.
The model now comes with some upgrades due to evolution (such as tapped bearing blocks) and it's quality is second to none. If you were to special order it through your hobby shop you could even get it outfitted with as many of the SE goodies as you would like. My new Gas Graphite will put up serious competition with any bird on the market today in quality and PERFORMANCE!!

But the Fury Gas is on it's way shortly and will be the gas bird to measure up to, hands down.

BTW- I would look at the Bergen gas well before a Vario, but that is my biased opinion! Like Minair, they have excellent support also in the USA and they speak english without translation.

Later,

BIGRCR- John Garst
07-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
HELIMIXER
Heliman
Location: New Rochelle, NY

Does the X-Cell Gas comes with ECCPM or mechanichal mixing? Because that's the main reason I'm looking very close to Vario, I would prefer to buy from a american company though
07-09-2003 Over year old.
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syll35
Heliman
Location: Québec , Canada

If you dont need a fuse , i would say go with a Bergen !
service is very good , even for guys like me in Canada !
i had call Larry a few times even after hours and he always help me .
the machine is very nice and come with the new G231 engine
there is no plastic in this heli compare with the x-cell.



07-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
smosher
Senior Heliman
Location: canada

(The biggest problem I have with the Benzin is it takes almost a pound of weight to get it balanced)

Actually, to be fair, not all benzins require that weight. There are many versions out there and the ones that need the most weight (15 oz.) are configured with an extended boom. Most people who are doing this are planning to put the heli in a fuse and want to test fly it using the 810 blades with 90/18 gears (1200 RPM). If you're planning to go scale, 15 oz. is nothing compared to the weight of the fuse etc.

My stock benzin required 2 oz. up front (a bigger battery would have accomplished this maybe) in Pod and Boom. Once I had it installed in a fuse, it required absolutely no weigth to balance.

Heck, I could have substituted a govenror with Stator Gator sensor and made up the weight that way. (Tom, both sensors are working flawlessly, thanks).
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
BIGRCR
Veteran
Location: Easley, South Carolina

The current X-Cell Gas Graphite has mechanical mix collective. My particular bird is using the collective system from the SE (the entire heli is an SE with a gas 231 motor). The SE front tray is much more solid than the plastic tray that the gasser comes with stock which really (along with the other SE parts) makes the controls very crisp and nearly non distinguishable from the new CCPM controls. This particular bird weighs in at 11 pounds and 4 ounces and can fly for right at 45 minutes on a tank of fuel . I did not have to add nor move anything to obtain a perfect balance. And yes, It will 3D very well!


If you are going scale, the G-231 can be started with the Pro-Flex start wand and a 90 or better starter (I use a Hobbico 90 @ around $30). This will make it much easier to get this set of mechanics into a scaler without having to go through a bunch of trouble with the pull starter.

Tom, I too am anxiously awaiting the finished Fury Gas as I am numero #2 on the get one list!!
The word on the Fury Gasser is TWO WEEKS!
No. Actually I am hearing in 3-6 months and will use the same motor (G-231). This motor is really going to head up the revolution in gas helicopters! The Fury gas should be even lighter than the model that I now fly.

And Tom, yes It was a bold statement, but I believe that all who wonder will be pleased!! BTW- the Stator Gator is helping to make the above possible, just get us one for the TJ!!

Later,

BIGRCR- John Garst
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

The 231 has considerably larger fins on the head. How does the x-cell gas fan shroud fit over that?

Greg
07-10-2003 Over year old.
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AGRAV8
rrProfessor
Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

I have both

use the xcell for sport flights, the Vario with multi bladed head for scale applications. The xcell has a Hanson modded g-23 with power simular to the new 231. That is how I do it around here......

My next heli will be a Predator Gasser. Hope this helps. James

GOOD guy list-39, BAD guy list-0
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
hoverking
Veteran
Location: Tennessee

does xcell make a upgrade to change a 1004 kit to a gasser. or a 1003 kit upgraded to carbon fibor stacked frames and all the head and tail parts to a gasser?

chris
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

Thanks Tom,
Youve been a great source of info on these gassers.
I have decided to build my own gasser, using the Fury.
I also have a Predator ( maybe build one of each)
I have a g260 that I am building it around, plan to
save weight using batt ignition and a case of my own
design.
I have not got my hands on a bergen or x-cell fan shroud
and am a little wary of the fit over the head, the 260 head being that
much bigger than the g23. (the 260 and 231 fins are the
same size). I am actually thinking of molding my own shroud
so I know it will fit perfect. I don't like loose shrouds !.
If I can get my arse in gear I should have the first Gasser Fury.

Greg
07-10-2003 Over year old.
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gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

Sub C ? we don't need no steenkin sub C
Li-poly 1200 mah 7.2v pack. less than 2Oz.
I believe thats the key to a light gasser. abandon
conventional gasser thinking. stay tuned.

Greg
07-10-2003 Over year old.
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Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

I just got a new Xcell shroud, and it fits the 231 without any problems

Greg,
I'm glad you mention the battery weight effect...I'm hoping with the new designs coming out, this will be taken into account...I see Vario has made a change on the Aerobatic Benzin to help with the CG problem which the older Benzin had in pod, and boom form...For Scale , it was pretty good...

You guys need to voice your opinions about these things to your favorite
Heli-maker
Regards,
Bill
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
BIGRCR
Veteran
Location: Easley, South Carolina

Hoverking,
As I understand it, Miniature no longer makes conversion kits for their helicopter kits to the gas version. Of course, you could order the parts to do it, but no kit.

Later,

BIGRCR- John Garst
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
smosher
Senior Heliman
Location: canada

Fidman23 - yeah, Tom, having the servos etc mounted back under the mast instead of way out front would make a big difference. I think that's about the only concern I have with using the air star sideframes. I know you get rid of the bell cranks I have to use with a front-mounted radio tray but you create a balance problem.
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
HELIMIXER
Heliman
Location: New Rochelle, NY

What about the Bergen, does it has ECCPM or mechanical mixing, their website doesn't say much about it.
07-10-2003 Over year old.
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Bergen is a VERY interaction free mechanical mixing system. Excellent customer service, a top quality machine that is 3D capable and comes stock with the G231.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
07-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Dr.Tim
Key Veteran
Location: Mojave Desert

BERGEN

While in Colorado for a contest a few weeks back, I let several New Helicopter Pilots (They could Hovor) fly me Bergen Gasser ..... They were excited by how easy and stable the Bergen was. One reply I had Received was "( I thought Gassers were Hard to Fly! I Had No Idea how great they flew ... If I had Known this before I would have bought a Bergen)" These big Gassers are Not Only well Designed and simple to fly but, Parts and Support are only a Phone call away! Something to think about when your ready for a Gasser.

Dr.Tim

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Starwood Models, Approach Engineering
07-13-2003 Over year old.
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HELIMIXER
Heliman
Location: New Rochelle, NY

Dr.Tim,
I already made my mind based upon the ECCPM. I'm hooked up for life on this one, I will buy any chopper that has it. I may get the Vario or wait for the Predator Gasser.
07-13-2003 Over year old.
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Dr.Tim
Key Veteran
Location: Mojave Desert

Helimixer .... Since I am 2 Days OLDER than you I feel I have the edge .. LOL ..... .... Anyway Just Kidding , I have flown the Excell gasser as well as a Few Vario Benzins (Look in My Gallery) and must say that they are all good but, try to get parts ..... This is were I base my opinion ... My Bergen is fun and very competitive. the Price is Great too Which ever you choose to go with I'm sure you will be pleased with ... They are ALL great Ships .... I'm Partial to Bergen though! ENJOY!!!

Dr.Tim

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Starwood Models, Approach Engineering
07-13-2003 Over year old.
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