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Beginners Corner > Newbie help. Buying heli asap.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

From advice on the articles i've been suggested Hirobo Shuttle Sceadu 30 or raptor 30? I was thinking nexus 30 b/c they stock them at my LHS. And the futaba 420 gyro / servo is favored. I definitely don't have time to fly that much and really wanted to try. After messing around on the G2 simulator i guess it's due able. Any advice is welcomed! I don't want to be steered with the wrong direction with a junk heli. I'm more familiar with rc car.

consideration.
part price
durability
slop etc....

Please advise me into a best value for dollar beginer heli.

thanks,
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

Hey Gixxer. . .welcome to the board. I use the same SN on this board as well as on the RCZone board. These guys should be able to help you out a lot better since you seem to be leaning towards a nitro heli. I'm more focused on electric heli's as I mentioned on the other board.

You may want to check out this thread that was just started:
http://www.runryder.com/showtopic.h...73&topicid=5345
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

both the Raptor 30 and the Sceadu 30 will get you well into flying. If you're dedicated and set on flying helis (it is not an impulse buy and you'll probably stick with it) I'd recommend getting the 50 counterpart of either of the two. Little higher initial cost, but it will save you money in the long run, and the extra power is well worth it. I speak from my own experience.
I have owned a Raptor 30 and it is a nice machine. Now I fly a Sceadu 50 and I think it is a better machine than the Raptor was. The Sceadu costs more, but I think you get what you pay for.......

Good luck, and happy flying!
02-28-2002 Over year old.
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gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

Thanks cnk for you help and links!

I'm going to call my LHS back home tommarrow morning. I am pretty impulsive when it comes to RC's though. Is the 50 easier to fly and more stable-smoother with the larger engine. I wanted to try out heli's and see if i like it. Is Nexus a bad heli? I like the look best and the sceadu comes 2nd in looks.

Anyways do any of you know if different gyros makes the heli. And is the digital servo on the rotor nesscerrary? I was planing to spend $550-600 for the first heli to see how i like it.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Dave H.
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Gixxer,

I'm not very familiar with Hirobo products but I do know there are a bunch of Raptors out there. The Raptor is an inexpensive heli to own. The parts are easy to get, not to mention reasonable. When you are first starting out that's a big plus. All heli's aside, hopefully there are some heli guys in your area that can help you with your setup. Try to soak up as much info possible. Fly your sim, burn fuel, and have fun

Good Luck,
Dave
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

The Nexus is an outdated heli....... It does not compare to either the Raptor or the Sceadu. I'd HIGHLY recommend to avoid it! Looks can be deceiving

The 50 will be more stable with the bigger disc diameter (600mm blades vs 550mm ones on the 30) and it will have a lot more power. It will weigh close to the same of the 30 size, yet it will have an extra horsepower in the engine making it truly scream. This will make a lot of maneuvers easier to learn as the heli will not feel like it is about to fall out of the sky. You can do loops/rolls and a whole lot more with a 30, but you'll have to learn more finesse before you can do them. The 50 will have so much power reserve that even if you mess something up, it's easier to save it from a crash.

I know that my flying has improved greatly since I own the 50.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
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Dave H.
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Yes the 50 will be more stable. As far as the gyro goes the Futaba 401/servo combo seems like the way to go. Greg is right though, you get what you pay for. I have an Ergo 46 and it has cost me a little bit more to repair when I dinged it. I only suggested the Raptor because of the parts bill and many people are pleased with it.

Good Luck,
Dave
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

first heli

May I suggest that you take a serious look at the Century Hawk IV ($220.00) or Hawk SE ($330.00) (depending on what you want to spend) in 30 size. If you want you can even get them in ARF form with or without an OS32SXH installed.

They are very easy for a newbie to build (probably one of the best manuals around), very reliable and dependable, with the addition of the $20.00 BB kit the IV will remain slop free for a very long time. The SE comes with bearings everywhere and with Fiberglass blades. They fly very well and last a long time.

As you can see they are relatively inexpensive to purchase and just as inexpensive to repair.

If your LHS does not stock them, you can order them on line from Heli-World or from Ron Lund.

If you want to start with a 50 size machine, then take a serious look at their Century Falcon SE.

For user comments on various heli's it is worth checking out the "showdown" forum at www.rchelicopters.org.

Also check other areas here at runryders to see what owners of various helis have to say about their helis. Check out the "Beginners forum" here and the other forums dealing wirth specific manufacturers further down the menu on the mainpage.

It will save a lot of people a lot of extra typing to repeat recommendations that have been repeated over and over many times here and on many other forums.

Whatever you choose....you will surely enjoy the hobby, the more reliable one you choose will just prove to bring that much more enjoyment per dollar and time invested.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

The nexus will get your fingers moving right, and is not a terrible heli, but it is definatley worth looking at a heli higher on the food chain. The bare bones is the Hawk IV. I just finished putting one togethor, and have about 10 flights on it. It flys pretty well. I have a sceadu 50 also. I am very pleased and impressed with it. It is more stable, more powerful, and most of the time more fun. I bought the hawk to learn aerobatics, and to beat around. The raptor scares me slightly. I don't know if you read that post about choosing helis, but I am a flyer/builder. I like flying. I do like building a LOT. I like putting the kits togethor. But I don't like taking them apart all the time, and farting around. Once it is togethor, I like it to stay togethor. I tweak, but for flyings sake. The raptor seems like a good ship for a builder to build on. There are a million upgrades, and it has some issues that like resolving. It lets you excercise an tinkering hand more than my sceadu does. Other than a gear failure, my sceadu has been flawless. The events that led to that failure have been remedied by Jeff at Altech Reliable, repeatable, and consistent. That is the sceadu. Were you looking to spend 500 on the whole deal?

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

You also have to consider a radio if you don't have one already. You may get different reccommendations on this, but my thoughts are that you should get a radio that is going to last you a while. I'm not suggesting that you go out and get a Futaba 9z or a JR 10x. . .but at least something like a Futaba 9c or JR 8103. Those radios can handle almost anything you can throw at them and they have multiple model memories.

Unfortunately, if you are only looking to spend $500-600 for a complete setup, you may have to do some more saving up as the radio alone is going to cost $400-500. I bought my 9c for $430. A complete setup for nitro would probably cost you in the neighborhood of $1100-1500. Heli's are the most expensive form of R/C that I know of. The good thing is that most of the cost is a one time thing for the initial start up. Once you've bought your radio, battery packs, chargers, fuel pumps, flight box, starter, etc. the only thing you'd have to worry about is fuel.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

Nice site Greg!

I see you point. The thing is that i have 200+ credit at that hobbyshop and maybe i'll just take things slow like getting a 50 and waiting till i have the cash to complete the build correctly. How much is a reasonable price for a 50 and is the Futaba 6XHPS adequate for the job?

thanks all!
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

I have an inferno mp6 so equipment is not a problem. Looks like it's going to be June till my heli leave the ground. I do want to do it right though.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

For prices check out HeliProz or Rick's page (I have links to both onn my page)
A 50 will be $150 more than a 30 approximately, counting the engine and blades.
For radio, don't get anything less than an Airtronics RD6000 or RD6000 Super (don't get the Sport version, that one is no good) This is the minimum. The 6XHPS is the same price as the RD6000 yet it only has 3 point curves and analog trims. For a step up, the Futaba 9C or the JR8103 could be a choice.
The $200 will not get you very far, you might have to get them piece by piece. Read the "What to get" section on my site for info about what you really need!

The guy oldfart swears by the Century Hawk, they are definetely the cheapest birds around the block, so if money is really tight you might want to check those out. I'm not familiar with them at all so you'll have to ask oldfart or others about them.

Good luck and come back to tell us about your choice!
02-28-2002 Over year old.
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cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

That's cool you got an MP6. . I have an Ofna Hyper 7 Pro. I don't know about you, but I use a starter box. For heli's you're going to need a handheld starter with either a cone starter attachment or a hex driver attachment to start the heli. Just something else to consider.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

which os engine is recommended for the sceadu .50? For the os engine line only the 50sx-h ringed fit on it? What about a .46 or.61?
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

Hey everyone, i've just called and ordered a sceadu 50! (if they could get it) Why do everyone recommend a 9ch over a 6ch radio. Does the airtornic 6000 super have low and high atv for all channels or dual rate? I"m not familiar with any remote other than cars.

cnk, I went cheap and got a bumpstart for my inferno. I also up a v01b in it and it's still brand new. I know for car radio i'd recommend the jr-xr2 or 3 for cars b/c they have everything needed in a electric or nitro cars.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

Most people recommend the 9 channel radio as it will provide you with enough channels to do anything you'd ever want to do with a heli. In all truthfullness, all you need is 5 channels. However, the 9 channel radios are usually more high end compared to the 6 channel radios and provide more features. The way I looked at it. . .I'd rather spend the extra $100-200 on a nice 9 channel radio so that I don't have to sell and buy another radio in the future as my skills progress. Also. . if I didn't like heli's, the 9 channel would retain more value. . .one would hope.

Most people recommend the OS-50. . but I don't know if there's a specific model. The other guys can probably help you out more on this.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gixxer
Senior Heliman
Location: Michigan

They're having trouble getting a resonalbe price for the Hirobo sceadu 50? They're going to call me back on this one so i'll let everyone know about my decision. If they can't give me the price to match the cyberheli.com. I might have to go with the raptor 30. I'm confused on what to do at the moment. Maybe i sould get the remote first and order the heli online later? Or just get the 30
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cnk
Heliman
Location: NJ

You have to keep in mind that the prices listed on Cyberheli.com are much lower than those in the US because things are cheaper over in Asia. To get a more realistic price, you should also factor in the shipping. Your LHS may have a better chance at matching or coming close to the price if you included the shipping, however I wouldn't count on it as they would have to cover overhead as well.

For me. . .I'd probably get the heli first if I had to make a choice since I could continue to save up money while I was building the heli. Let us know how everything goes.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Syclic
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Hemisphere

First heli

I to agree with Oldfart re: the Hawk IV as the best buy in entry level 30 size. But it is unfair to compare any 30 with any 50. In this case a $220.00 Hawk IV to a $510.00 Sceado 50. Considering those dollars one should be two times better then the other. If you want to compare the Hirobo Sceado 50, then one should compare it to the Century 50 size heli, the Falcon SE V2.

As JC said, though he has the far more expensive Sceado 50, he bought a Hawk because it is a lot less money at risk and to repair when he crashes trying new aerobatic manoevers. Well the same criteria is very important for someone who is learning. Their "risk factor" is a lot higher so cost and ease of repair are an important issue, giving the Hawk IV a big advantage. (JC your next heli should be the Falcon SE V2, then you can see how well it compares to the Sceado 50...a direct apples to apples comparison, though the Century apple costs less)

The Sceado 50 is a nice heli, but IMHO the Falcon 50 SE gives you much more "bang for the buck" (and that isn't just my opinion, if you take the time to check out the other forums here and the other sites recommended by Oldfart you will see that there are a good number with the same opinion.)

The Falcon SE sells for $399.95 from Ron Lund. It already comes with 600mm Fiberglass/Carbon Fiber composite blades in the kit!! You will need to buy an engine and muffler for it. Because of its' light weight, it will have about the same "power to weight ratio" with the OS46 as the Sceado will with the more expensive OS50. So the muffler (CN3033A at $40.00) and engine ($125.00) will make for a total investment of $565.00. Of course you can go to the OS-50 if you want to spend another $60.00. This heli also comes with a full metal swashplate (like the X-Cell 60's), not a metal composite unit like the Sceado or Hawk IV, a carbon fiber torque tube drive (like the X-Cell 60's) for the tail and a top notch tail rotor system that has two radial and one thrust bearing in each blade grip (like in the X-Cell 60 Pro).

The Sceado 50 comes with a two piece muffler (many replace it because it is noisy and like most such two piecers, in time may start to leak) but no blades at $450.00. Add a set of good FRP blades for another $60.00 and an engine ($125 or $185.00) and you have a net cost of $635 or $695.00 and still have a louder two-piece muffler, a composite/metal swashplate like the Hawk IV, a belt driven tail and a tail rotor with only one radial and one thrust bearing in each grip. Though these features are fine, if I can get the better features for less money, why not?

Gixxer, check out the series of "newbie" posts that are here in the beginner forum a few lines below this one. The one started by MmMmGood.
02-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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