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jamthomasSenior Heliman - Location: Newberg, Oregon -
I didn't write this but I thought it was informative for those who are interested.

Jim



As far as Jpeg's becoming TIFF, that's not exactly what happens, but it's
essentially the same. When you open a Jpeg into photoshop, it "expands" to
it's uncompressed size. If you do a few changes and save it back as a Jpeg,
you will subject it to another round of jpeg compression. If you save it as
a TIFF, then the degradation stops there. However this does not mean that
if you subsequently save the resulting TIF as a Jpeg that it would be any
different that having first saved it as a Jpeg.

For those that are "geekified" and want to know more about the current Jpeg
standard, see (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~ace/jpeg-tut/jpegtut1.html) for a
good explanation.

That's why I always maintain a "set" of versions for each image. There is a
high res "master", an "access" image saved as a TIFF, and the same
converted to sRGB and saved as a standard Jpeg. How these are maintained
and created is all part of the Image Database section of Controlled
Vocabulary (http://www.ControlledVocabulary.com/imagedatabases/) for those
that are interested.

The advantage of keeping a TIFF of the downsampled file is that I don't
have to go back and downsample all the master files again when the Jpeg2000
standard becomes prevalent. Plug-ins are available now for both Photoshop,
Netscape and MSIE, but it's not built in to the current versions. When that
comes to pass, that's where I'm headed. Jp2 (jpeg2000) has a built in
"lossless" format that reduced the file size by approximately half. If you
do compress it's based on wavelets (not the earlier discrete cosine
transform compression) . JP2, as well as the earlier Jpeg format, are true
open standards. Like it or not, Adobe actually holds the patent on the TIFF
format, so it's stability as a format is not a given. Though if past
performance is any indicator of future performance, it's still a good
choice for a storage format.

HTH,

David


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06-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Flyingeye
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

Interesting info. I operate under the assumption that Photoshop is lossless, do all my work there and just "save a copy..." as a JPG when I want to transmit an image to someone else in the world. Am I missing something here?
06-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
jamthomas
Senior Heliman
Location: Newberg, Oregon

It depends on what format you are saving your files in. there is lossy and loss-less types of file formats. JPG is a lossy format. You would never want to work on and continually save a jpeg image because every time you save a jpeg you lose more information and degrade your image. Your method sounds good except you didn’t specify which format you are working in, when you work in Photoshop.

My workflow is this. Images are taken as tiffs or jpegs (I only choose jpeg in the camera when I am not that concerned about quality) from my digital camera. If I decide to edit that image in Photoshop, I will save that image as a .psd, which is Photoshop’s native format. I could also work on that image as a tiff in Photoshop. I use psd because it offers me the most options because it is native to Photoshop. When I have a picture that I am happy with and I want to post it on my website, I will save my psd or tiff file(loss less) and then I will save a copy as a jpeg. Jpeg is my last step or final task to send an image to somebody when size is an issue. I would never save my originals or store my originals in the jpeg format because it is destructive to the data the represents my image.

I don’t know if this is clear. I’m tired. Jpg is not an option when you need to save and resave an image because every time you save it, you do more damage.

Jim Thomas
06-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Flyingeye
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

Yes, I meant saving as a Photoshop .psd for all work in progress. Then "save a copy..." as a .jpg for any thing to be transmitted. Truthfully, I have never really seen any visible degradation when resaving at the highest JPG quality but I don't do it just the same just to be prudent.
06-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dCypher
Senior Heliman
Location: Dallas

I personally prefer the Targa format. (.tga) mostly due to my daily use with it in a professional capacity.

It's lossless as well, the file sizes tend to be a bit smaller than .tif's, and it supports 32 bits (with an alpha channel) versus .tif's 24 bit images with no alpha channel.

The extra bits are a must if you do any kind of serious image manipulation...

(I also have a distaste for .tif's because of their prevelance among the Macintosh community, but that's another story...)
06-25-2003 Over year old.
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jamthomas
Senior Heliman
Location: Newberg, Oregon

I used the targa format a lot too when I was doing work in Studio Max but after I started the Photography thing, tiff just became part of my workflow.

I can save tiff’s with an Alpha channel, at least in Photoshop I can. If I remember correctly, I could also use that tiff alpha when applying a texture to a 3d object in Max or Maya. So I must respectfully disagree with your point on tiff’s features. The file size, I have not verified.

I’m going to start back into the 3d stuff shortly. I’ve recently had some ideas involving compositing 3d objects into some aerial images or video, just for kicks.

I used to love my Mac till I got a PC.
06-25-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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