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Off Topics > I JAST BEEN BLOCKED IN ISRAELY FORUM
 
 
elad
Senior Heliman
Location: beer sheva (in south) israel

FOR ADDING A LINK TO THE POLL ON LIOR, it was supposed to
be a joke but it seems that lior got shocked very hard and ask
the manger of the forum to block me ASAP for damage is good
reputation the manger is escorted the israely F3A team every year
to abroad so if you see him tell him what you think, His name is
shron and hi kind a eccentric, his e-mail is

mailto:me@sharon-first.co.il

please dont be jentle
06-18-2003 Over year old.
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nutswinger
Senior Heliman
Location: TX

some folks gots no sense of humor at all.
06-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Hotwings
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, Port Charlotte and West Palm Bch.

LIOR

I'm going to give Lior the benfit of the doubt, and i expect him to return the guys heli. Ron i have decided to just forget the past and see what happens in the future with him.

Please cancel my clearance, I have the field in sight.
06-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

what was the poll about?

Mark
06-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

for the record, what exactly did this guy do? I just keep seeing his name mentioned around here a lot.
06-19-2003 Over year old.
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eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Do a search and you will see all kinds of allagations. He agreed on a deal to buy/trade heli's with another pilot here who promptly sent his heli as agreed but Lior didn't send his, that's breach one, next he feels he can renegoiate the deal after he recieves the heli and refuses to either 1) send his as agreed, or 2) return the heli that did not belong to him.
When this was mentioned here in the forums other users came forward to explain how they also got burned by dealing with this guy.

He did say he would be returning the heli but there has been no word yet on it's safe return.

Please tell me the URL of the forum you are banned from. I may be able to help.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
06-19-2003 Over year old.
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Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

well whos falt is it?

Mark
06-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
I3DM
rrProfessor
Location: Israel

here is what i sent Chris \ Justin yesterday:

Dear Chris Berardi.
as agreed, the millie was shipped Priority Express mail today, and insured
for 1500 $USD.
tracking number : EE035218808IL
tracking will be available after 24-48 hours in this URL: www.postil.com
with this i have ended my part of this horrible deal.
best regards,
Lior.


CC Justin Moore.
06-19-2003 Over year old.
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Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

so what is he going to do about it are you going to get it back.

Mark
06-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Well it's not my heli so I'm not getting it but i am concerned for the owner and we are awaiting word.

Anyway, it's that kind of crap that has prompted the members here to do things like hold a poll about getting him banned from the site. He's not making a very good name for himself and I guess someone here posted the main discussion on one of his local forums in Israel. this hit him a little close to home so he reacacted by getting that person kicked off the local forum. i think that's a good sign that we struck a nerve and I feel it's acceptable to put pressure on that nerve so he get's the message.

If I had the address of that site I could make it difficult for them to continue operation until such time that we feel it has been properly addressed. I'm the kind of guy that goes around pissing off spammers, I have some techniques that may be effective.

Send a dos attack against EBAY, go to jail, send one against an RC heli forum and nobody is going to care much or even look much farther than the first ISP in the chain let alone go international trying to get co-operation from ISP's in different countries. We can use mail bombs to harass and annoy... All I need is the URL and enumeration will begin. I'll sniff ports till it debilitates them.

I spend a lot of time tracking the idiots that use these methods on the internet and along the way you pick up the skills required to get noticed on the other end.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
06-19-2003 Over year old.
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eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Well, I did as advised and spent a few hours last night reading post after post about Lior, seems to be a recurring theme with this guy to create trouble for anyone who deals with him.

And yes Janek it is harsh. Like I was saying yesterday, I spend time tracking and creating problems for Spammers where ever I can. I see the different things they do to fool servers and send bulk mail etc... I'm on the good guy side of that fence as I've never resorted to using any of these petty skills, I just know about them because it makes it simpler to defend against them, the devil you know and all that, yada yada yada....

I guess it just gets to me that someone out there is successfully ripping us off over and over again and we're not doing anything about it because we have ethics.

If he were in my home town I would take it upon myself to make him miserable trying to enjoy the hobby in this area by alerting everyone that he comes into contact with.

I can't do it over there because I'm located here, we need others to help us out over there and it sounds like when it was attempted we got rejected by the pilots in Isreal who choose to support the local crook. Make you wonder if he rips people off and shares the spoils with the other pilots over there. Why elso would they try to keep his reputation in tact?

My response would not cause damage, just inconvience. To get things back to normal I would have to be contacted, when they contact me they can explain why they support a thief. At this point we may get some more help than we have been getting by people motivated, even if it is against thier will, to help us.

I had a lawfirm mistakenly put my boss's cell phone number in thier fax list and tried to send it a fax mutiple times a day. I looked up the originating number and sent a fax explaining this was a cell phone. please cease the faxing. I was ignored. So I set up a simple message

"IF YOU WANT THIS TO STOP CALL ERNIE AT ###-####"

And then I copied and pasted it to it filled about 87 pages, then I set it to start dialing into thier fax machine over and over all night long resending 87 full pages of text each time wasting both toner and paper on thier end.

The next moring I got an Irate phone call from a lawyer, the Firm was the Alberta Law Society in Canada. Mostly Prosecutors, When they yelled, I hung up. I( refused to deal with them until they did it on MY terms and it worked, I still didn't stop the fax until they sent me proof that our cell number was removed.

I now have a tendancy to believe excessive behaviour like this maybe sometimes has it's place.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
06-21-2003 Over year old.
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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Best advice : Don't trade with anyone from Israel. Let the RC people in Israel police this trash.
06-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
elad
Senior Heliman
Location: beer sheva (in south) israel

here in isreal his behavior is good to say

the least, there are rumors here and there ,thats way some of the pilots here are sceptics about it, I can honesty say that 95% of rc modelers
here are OK ,and he kind mixed with the top pilots some are form the
f3c team and organized FUN FLYS like the one next saturday,
after I made the post in the isrealy forum I got some very nervous
messages from him , now I'm consider to post links to get in touch
with the israely fraud police department from abroad.
06-21-2003 Over year old.
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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

I'm sure there are many good people there, but it only takes one like liar to spoil it for everyone. Give him credit for not spoiling his standing with the RC people in his own back yard. At least he still has that rock to crawl under.
06-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

I only buy/sell within one supersaver plane ticket's ass-kicking radius
06-21-2003 Over year old.
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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

I prefer within driving distance, then I can take my friends Smith& Wesson!
06-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
flmgrip
Veteran
Location: Irvine, CA, United States

i thing is for sure... i do not want to be on eSmith's s...tlist


what signature ?
06-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

cool. Are all those pic yours.

Mark
06-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Not to worry FLMGRIP, I don't keep a list and maybe I misrepresented myself. I don't look to target anyone, I just know how to react when someone targets me. There are many people I may not agree with or like but I would never start trying to create problems for them.

People like lior are a different case, they are the ones who refuse to stop interfering with our enjoyment of the hobby by trying time and time again to scam us for personal profit.

Be assured that if he were withing driving distance of any one of a number of us here he would not continue to be a problem.

He hides in his country and for reasons known only to them, the RC community there is protecting him.

This needs to be addressed, We have decided to not associate with Lior, if his countrymen cannot accept this and decide to befriend him anyway they should not be suprised that they are no longer welcome by the majority of the members of the international community.

A blocked domain is hardly going to crush the RC industry in any country, however they may not like the way they are looked at by the rest of us and do something about it.

Why should the burden be on us to avoid being scammed and not them for protecting this scumbag thief.

We don't have time to sit here and convince these people that they are wrong, it's bred into them to argue and debate everything for lifetime after lifetime, they want us to prove it to them simply so they can start to refute the proof.

I say cut them out completely and let them do the convincing as to why they should be allowed back. This is perferable because in the meantime while we debate it more members are not getting ripped off.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
06-23-2003 Over year old.
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Eco8_Kid
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

so is the guy banned forever?

Mark
06-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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