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After Market Accessories > Co-Pilot Install Qurestions!!!!

HeliCool
Senior Heliman
Location: Florida

Well, I received my co-pilot and installed it per the directions. I have a futaba fpr-127df FM receiver and use a Futaba 6XHs transmitter. Ive set it up on the 5th channel so when I flip the switch it turns on. I took it out to a field (grass) on Sat and tried to calibrate it. It would not cycle the servos when placed on its side. I did the same thing on sunday over concrete and it did the same thing. I held the button when I turned on the receiver, and it cycles three times to tell me that its in set-up mode. But when I put it on its side and pressed the button and waited for the cycles nothing happened. I tried pressing and releasing it, pressing and holding it in, but nothing cycled. It cycled only after releasing the button and only did it once. But I figured that was just because it was swithcing between modes. Then when I back up 10-15feet behind it and pushed the right stick right and held it it(tried push and release it) again no cycles. Both areas I tried this in have at least a couple of hundred feet of open area with no hills, mountains, anything(Long Island). Am I doing something wrong? Is it broken? I removed the the little glued on tabs over the eyes and made sure they were clean.
Help!!!!!

Rich Macys
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02-24-2002 Over year old.

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Sceadu1
Senior Heliman
Location: Rochester,Minnesota

Co-Pilot

Are you turning the transmitter on first , then the reciever. Then lay heli on its side ,push button and hold for 3-5 sec after it cycles put on flat , level surface and move aileron stick back and forth.Should be ready to fly.Hope this helps. Jerry

02-24-2002 Over year old.

ben1000
Senior Heliman
Location: Gilbert, Arizona

Howdy..

I usually don't hold the button down..

My set up:

1 turn on trans
2 turn on rx
3 hold heli on side
4 press button (for less that 1 sec.)
5 wait for cycle
6 put heli upright
7 walk away, and give full right stick
8 done - That's all there is to it.

The turn-on-rx-while-holding-button-down is something you only need to do once on the bench, not at the field. Don't know anything about the 3-5 second button hold thing...

Regards,

ben1000

02-24-2002 Over year old.

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HeliCool
Senior Heliman
Location: Florida

I thought it was supposed to cycle a number of times?

I thought when you set it up it was supposed to cycle between 1-10 times? It only cycles like once when I let go of the button the first time.
Then it doesnt even cycle when I do the right stick thing. It just move the swash right then when I let go it just kinda sits there(no cycles to tell how good the calibration was).

Rich Macys
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02-24-2002 Over year old.

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ben1000
Senior Heliman
Location: Gilbert, Arizona

After I press the button with the heli on its side (again, this is a button press, not a button-hold), after about 3 seconds, the servos cycle between 1 and 10 times (usually around 7 or 8 times where I fly). Then the servos slowly travel from end to end in an endless cycle. They'll do this until I walk away and put in full right stick. That's when the heli returns to normal.

Again, I don't hold the button when I turn on the RX, nor do I hold it when the heli is on its side.

Hope that helps..

02-24-2002 Over year old.

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HeliCool
Senior Heliman
Location: Florida

Thanks

I will try that and see what happens. Again Im not sure if the thing is working right because Ive tried it on grass and on asphalt and both do the same thing. Im going to the back yard to see if I can get it to cycle on its side. Thanks again and I will let you know.

Rich Macys
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02-24-2002 Over year old.

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HeliCool
Senior Heliman
Location: Florida

well it didnt work!

It cycled correctly but when I tried to fly it, I took off from the ground and it started to cock off to the right I tried to catch it and set it down fast when I did it wobbled and scraped the blade tip hopped up in the air then broke the right front gear arm. Oh well, so now I have to buy the gear and blades since the shrink wrap got torn on the ones I have. This really sucks! I have the thing set up the way its supposed to. I didnt think it was supposed to be this hard.

Rich Macys
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02-24-2002 Over year old.

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ben1000
Senior Heliman
Location: Gilbert, Arizona

Howdy....

Sorry to hear about that. Not sure what to tell you. Did all the set-up test work ok? Does the swashplate tilt away from your hand when you test it like in the manual?

I have found that the co-pilot can't keep the bird perfectly level because the heli doesn't sit on the ground perfectly level. Usually, the skids keep the heli slightly off level one way or another. Also, the co-pilot won't stop sideways movment. When light on the skids, the heli will usually get pushed to the left by the air flow from the tail rotor. The co-pilot can't correct for this. I find the co-pilot works the best after you're a few feet off the ground.

I've just started my 3rd gallon, and with no instructor, I've been able to progress from hovering, nose-in hovering (basic) and forward flight without a serious crash. I now don't even use the co-pilot, but it's great to have it there as a confidence booster. There were many time when I lost orientation of the heli, and I just hit the co-pilot switch and I knew that the bird was level. I'm sure it's paid for itself many times over in saved-crashes...

Probably the best example of this was recently when I motor quite (had ti too lean). The heli was a little ways away, so I hit the co-pilot switch, and started my first even autorotation. With the co-pilot on and the gyro still working, all I had to worry about was the collective. I didn't even touch the right stick. Just lower the collective to increase head speed, and then raised the pitch as the heli came down to a soft landing. It was great no to have to worry about the cyclic on my first engine out experience. Thanks, FMA...

Regards,

Ben

02-24-2002 Over year old.

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vortechZ230
Elite Veteran
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.

The setup and test , must be done first, this is to insure that all switches and conections are done correctly, preferably on the bench, during installation., go back and recheck, your directions, and installation, I have heard there is some problems with futaba pcm receivers.A digital servo buffer might be needed? I would call FMA technical and talk to them about your problems that you are having, On the next flight I would put on a training gear first, just to be safe, to ensure setup and flight is correct... Joe.

02-26-2002 Over year old.

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osxpro
Heliman
Location: Winston Salem, NC

I could not get the co-pilot on my Raptor to calibtrate at all. I finally ended up swapping the unit from the one on my fixed wing. It appears to be working now. The one I had on my Raptor originally seems to be defective.I have not flown it yet though. I will be testing mine this weekend. I'll keep you posted as to whether it works or not.

Question for Co-pilots here...

At my field we have a slope on one side of the field with rather tall trees. The other side is plain flat corn field. Anyone here have any problems with slopes or trees within 200 yards affecting the IR plane?

06-12-2002 Over year old.

SkyKing
Senior Heliman
Location: Belvidere, Ill

I did a flight demo at our club meeting the other night. Our field is surrounded by trees and brush, it has a grade to to it so it is not level. Once I calibrated and flew it it did not seem to be affected by the slope of the ground or the trees. I let several people fly it. One person did piros for about a minute and only used his left hand (on rudder)
Terry

06-13-2002 Over year old.

osxpro
Heliman
Location: Winston Salem, NC

Thanks SkyKing! I need a little re-assurance on this. My last Co-pilot unit, which turned up defective, discouraged me quite a bit. While I've been flying my Raptor for a few months now. Unfortunatley I haven't had the time, guts nor money (in case of a trash-n-crash) to really open her up. I'm wanting to use this co-pilot as a backup assist in case I get into a bind. On not planning on any hainous manuvers, just some loops, rolls, and smooth field flying.
Being that I have a new Warbird, it's taken a little priority. But now that it's completed I've got some Raptor time.

06-13-2002 Over year old.

SkyKing
Senior Heliman
Location: Belvidere, Ill

Osxpro, I turned the sens. all the way up and had a fella fly it that is a newbe on a LMH. He has never flown anything but the LMH and it has training gear on it. He flew (hovered) the Raptor side in, nose in took it up to 75 feet or so brought it back down, did some slow piros used a whole tank of fuel. He does have G2 and uses it but, boy was he pumped after that tank of fuel!!! I have it on a switch on the trans for on/off.
I think it will do what you want it to.
Terry

06-13-2002 Over year old.

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