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Off Topics > MHW Rant, subscription cancelled
 
 
red devil
Heliman
Location: gatwick uk

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06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Twin_squirrel
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Red_Devil,

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so over to you twin squirrell (or is it two nuts hehehe)


Hey that's species-ist, we squirrels have enough to deal with.... The outwitting squirrels society

Yes, I see your point (I think) but how many articles have you seen lately in MHW which are aimed at the beginner? Not many....This is exactly my point. Where can you go to get impartial advice on what to buy, where to buy it and how to operate it?

A few extra $ on the cover price would be a small price to pay for a little editorial impartiality, the revenue gained from this would help pay for review items and I for one can't see that major manufacturers would pull advertising after a little prodding from an astute reviewer.

Let me explain, MHW has reached a critical mass, it is distributed all over the world in x number of countries, a monopoly in most, it has (or would have if respected) some clout meaning that if there were issues with a machine the manufacturer would be given more impetus to modify and compete in order to keep a reputation.

Not only that but the inclusion of clap-trap like the "budget 3D" article, yes that was the title, not, "on board electronics are quite good now aren't they", can only serve to confuse the novice reader and alienate the more experienced among us.


Stephen,

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There is no need to carefully hand carve throttle curves with a GV-1. There is also no need to hand build tail rotor rev mixing, tail rotor offset when using good onboard electronic devices(these are called modern HH gyros).
One does not have to chisel out throttle/cyclic-throttle/tail rotor mixes from the remaining bits of wood.
Speaking of paddles..they can be made from wood.....wood blades ends specifically and they perform better than many bought plastic units when you know what you are doing. Unfortunately they come pre carved in an airfoil shape. They can be carved from glass blades also as several clever RR individuals have shown. I guess it all boils down to a narrow or broader way of thinking if you ask me. One cannot please all of the people all of the time unfortunately.


The draft copy of your next article looks like it is up to MHW standards, fill it out to 2000 words and send it in, I'm sure it will get into print.

David
06-07-2003 Over year old.
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Chef
Senior Heliman
Location: Derbyshire. United Kingdom

I cant say anything about this months MHW as Mr postman bought it to me today and for some reason has taken it back to the post depot till Monday as I was not in, so I cannot read it till then nor comment on this issue.

I do subscribe to MHW but I must admit, I think the only thing I find enjoyable it looking at the photos; I get a lot more information off of the net, especially this particular site.

It really P's me off when I subscribe to a magazine and 80% is made up of advertisements, I realise they have to have them in there, but I don’t buy it for the advertisements.

One more thing, why don’t they give something away free to people who take out subscriptions with MHW? I am about to subscribe to RCM&E and the cost for a year is £38 (I think), and you get a free Flight box from JP Perkins in either red or yellow worth £40. Not bad as I need a new one.

MHW needs to do a survey and see what there majority readers want in the magazine and that might help matters.

Rant over with, need to go charge batteries now for Sunday flying.......


PS Twin Squirell, where in Wiltshire are you ? My gran lives in Salisbury and my Aunt and Uncle live in Hythe.

I'm taking my dog for a walk in the park ;)
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Secret Squirrel
Key Veteran
Location: New Zealander living in Melbourne, Australia

They didn't include a link to my site? Or even an email address?

I must say I kinda thought that they would add a link for me...

Si

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Simon Lockington
06-07-2003 Over year old.
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Twin_squirrel
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Simon,

No link as far as I can see, just your name.

Chef,

I'm about 6 miles north of Salisbury on the plain.

David
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Well, so far I like MHW. Maybe it's because I haven't seen other r/c helicopter magazine.
The photos are great and most articles are good. In fact, I have learnt alot. Oh yes, the articles of 3D flying and good mechanical set up are good.
Of course RR has also given me plenty of knowledge too, and some critcal review did point out some short comings in some products.
But if you stand back and take a look at the bigger picture, MHW has to be positive it's review as the r/c heli mag market is small.
Relaxed! Sit back and enjoy the pictures and articles, don't read it like a critic. I'm sure if you have doubts, you can always come to RR to clarify.

Ok, the only part I don't like is the section on scale heli. Haha...I don't fly scale!
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FlyinBrian
Veteran
Location: USA

Hi,

The really funny thing is this is not an original idea, its been discussed through out the years and was the norm 15 years ago - the gv-1. Most people with even the slightest bit of common sense could figure out why it did'nt work well then and why it would'nt work well now.

Do we really need a few page's devoted to such an article? Not really. Can most of us figure out why it would'nt work too well without trying? Yes. Would broader thinking help change our oppions? No, simply because thinking is what makes us realize it would be nothing more than a complete waste of time.

Is it possible? Why yes but so is a root canal with a dremel tool but most of us have the common sense not to even waste the time trying.

Does the average american really need "you" to tell us how good are equipment is? Not really, believe it or not we allready know this and have known this for years. Good reviews would be appreciated but its allready known and proven that is not gonna happen within the pages mhw.

Somebody above mentioned we only discuss what we dont want? Well how about some good articles on heli setup, how to build a heli properly, working from hovering into forward flight safely, The two learning styles: Paitence or $$$$$, Do we really need top end equpment to fly? PCM or FM? (would probably make a better article than a post )

Most of this stuff would be pretty useless for the expierenced readers but would be a lot more acceptable and usefull to others than "Budget 3D". Granted quite a bit of that has been published before but I feel as though it could receive some modern thinking and make a good article once again. But I am really tired of seeing stuff picked off the internet put into an article and claimed by the author as being thier own "original ideas".

A quote, as in the past I am sure you will try your best to sidestep these with "I dont know what you mean"

"I have taken this principal to an extreme only to make a point or two, since you don't need the best equipment to fly aerobatics. This is because modern equipment has come to a point where high end performance is available through the use of reasonably priced airframe mounted electronics."

Your telling us that the best equipment is not needed yet your using it to prove your point, is the best equipment needed or not?

Reasonably priced govenor's and hh gyros have been available for years, would'nt that mean your article is several years late?
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
nickwap
Veteran
Location: Berwick-upon-Tweed -ENGLAND not Scotland

All the mags are the same in as much they are only there to enable them to sell advertising space and make money.
I have never read a 'this product is totally crap' review in any heli or plank mag - the reason why? - well they can't upset the advertisers.

The ONLY place for reviews or information worth reading is places like this RunRyder or Simons Little Rotors, and the reason is that we dont have to bow down to the advertisers.

If you want to know about a product ask them that use it not them that sell it!

Thanks for listening to the rants

Nick

Synergy N9, 600N, R90SE, JR9303 2.4 now all I need is some skill!
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

I like MHW myself, I like the articles on fun flys and contests that have gone on, what's new (?) within the heli community and yes, I do look at the ad's...( I gotta' find out where my next "upgrade" will come from!) and though I don't fly Scale I can appreceate how much time ands effort goes into these things. The pictures and layout of the magizine are pretty good and the articles are fairly up-to-date.

All the above being said; I think that MHW HAS gone too warm-and-fuzzy with their reviews and writes them (as does Rotary in the Excited States) with a significant bias towards not offending the manufacturer of the review item...I would rather read a review like Model Helicopter Technique does...This is what we have to review, this is what it did when we flew it and this is what we as the reviewers think of the product (good OR bad). Of course MHT only comes out four times a year and is black and white (kind of like their reviews).
I find the overall quality of any product review is inversly proportinal to the number and size of the ad's the products being reviewed distrubutor has in that magizine!

Before the internet everyone would wait in rapt anticipation of the next Heli mag hittin' their mail box and digest the contents sitting on the Throne, confident they were now armed with the most recent info available about model helicopters, never bemoaning the fact the info was months out of date ( in publishing it's called lead time)...those times are gone...now you will see three months of discussion on XYZ product on the internet forums ( RR being the best of course) before any magizine has anything about it. That's not their fault; like the Morning Newspaper, the published topics were News when written and History when printed!

Magizines??? Good un-biased reviews, pics of contests and funflys and some how-to articles. The rest should be left to the internet...IMO.

Articles I would like to see in a Heli mag:
History of various helicopter lines...Kalt, Hirobo,Robbe, etc.
Ditto on radios.
Pilot Profiles (like MHT does)
How-and-Why " insert topic here" works.
Factory visits (like MHW did)
Product reviews (New at the time)

Articles better left to the internet:
Product reviews (real time)
info on new technology
How-to topics
Heli and radio comparisons (lots more fun on RR
:rolleyes
Q and A (also much more fun on RR)

Sorry for the long post...I gotta switch to Decaf...

JMHO Chris
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Twin_squirrel
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Stephen or Colin or is it Alexander (I never really know),

You're right it is beyond my comprehension, I still find it difficult to believe that you are pursuing this with such vigour. No, you don't have to have a $1000 radio to fly, I don't think that I actually said nor implied that, why would I?

What I did say is, read this VERY SLOWLY.

The GV-1 costs about the same as a NEW low end heli radio which is scalable, meaning that IF the user wishes to continue with the hobby the radio can be used with other machines or with a sim by switching model memories and has a reasonable compliment of features.

How many pilots started out small and gradually grew their equipment base? I know I did. Just for the record I still fly with a mid range radio (a 9C). My machine flies pretty much the same with or without my governor (okay it's not a mighty panacea GV-1) switched on. Perhaps that is because I have used the experience gained through the use of cheaper equipment and learnt how to set my throttle curves correctly, something I may not have learnt if I were to listen to you.

Sorry I didn't read "Budget 3D" as "Even the most basic radio can fly 3D" my mistake. I don't want to fall into your trap of name calling and derision as it is obvious the you are not completely stupid as you imply anyone who disagrees with you is, nor are you a thumb sucking pin head as I first thought.

Anyway, all that said, your mighty brain is more than a match for me, I concede. My subscription is cancelled.

BTW I have just found out that there is a new mag Rotorworld available to us UK folks, I hope to read it soon, with any luck they may be able to make a better fist of it.

David
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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Twin_squirrel
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

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I don't want to fall into your trap of name calling and derision as it is obvious the you are not completely stupid as you imply anyone who disagrees with you is, nor are you a thumb sucking pin head as I first thought.


ooops, sorry I think I just did

David
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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Hotwings
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Location: Florida, Port Charlotte and West Palm Bch.





Please cancel my clearance, I have the field in sight.
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Every heli expert I have spoken too says dont skimp on electronics in a heli....

Here we have a 3 page article in a world renowned publication saying....

"Ignore them, just buy a cheap radio and a GV1 and you will be able to fly real 3d"

its not real budget 3d as you could buy a Sanwa RD6000 for less/about the same than the cost of the GV1 and that 4 channel doorstop....

IMHO if this is supposed to be helping people wanting to move into heli flying its just sold them the biggest pup ever....

Apart from anything else you will never get to 3d stage as no-one will be able to buddy with you or help you get the thing setup in the first place....

PS... funny post Ron....



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06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
novpl
Heliman
Location: Hants

06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
sebastianforbes
Senior Heliman
Location: the wallops, hampshire, england

hi there

who said it's not possible.

just look at the eco 8 - not great but it does the job.

as an ambassador to mhw i think that your ranting and raving leaves a little to be desired.

by the way, it was a good article but take twin_squirel's comments for what they're worth, he's a customer ( one of them ).

my subscription ends in two months and that is where it will stay. from my point of view i don't want to pay for information that i can get elsewhere for free. i like write-ups on fly-ins, interviews and comps etc but info on dnhp, x-cell, jr, piccolo helis and all the endless upgrades which serve to make the english hobby shops rub their hands with glee only need to be aired just the once. i believe that mhw serves to inform the intermediate heli enthusiast, that the beginners will find it hard to understand and the experts will have no need for the info. also, there are too many double page adverts.
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06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

This thread just cracked me up, what a joke. LOL

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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Dave Hollins
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

I must agree Chris

I've never seen so many low flying teddies come out of prams

With all this Criticism and good ideas may be some of these people should write some articles so others might learn from their experience
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

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Why do you need a buddy box? I have never buddy boxed, and with the 4 Channel radio I can do loops, rolls, tail slides, death spirals, pin wheels, leap frog, kaos etc.......I can do all the same stuff with the 4 ch radio, its just not as fun!


and the setup?

what happens when the throttle drops low enough to kick the governor off?

don't take part of my comments in isolation, just admit its a stupid "willy waving" exercise to prove it can be done and serves no useful purpose whatsoever....

based on past comments all this proves is you can use a futaba gv1 on a 4 channel radio...



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06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

okay colin, you win...

MHW lose



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06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

I miss Russ Deakins proper columns as well....

does seem to go in cycles tho..... 2 good issues one complete duffer....



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06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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