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Main Discussion > Hashimoto. What is he flying ?
 
 
a_korandr
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Location: Chicago, IL

Anyone knows what is his bird configuration ? Engine, Kit, RotorHead, Blades, Servos, Gyro, GV (if any), etc
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Taipan
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, Australia

Freya EX WC
SSR-VI R/H
Hirobo WC Blades
Black Shark fuse
GY601 & S9251
9ZHP WC2

Don't know about engine,muffler, GV-1 or servos. Maybe OS91SX-H C-Spec.
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Hmm...so he has changed to Futaba. I think he uses JR PCM10X previously.
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

He flies SANWA / AIRTRONICS!

Here's a quote from the USAF3C.com web site commenting on the Japanese national championships;

"In first place we have Shinya Kunii - JR Propo / JR Engine / JR Heli, he is a second time member of the team and JR employee at the Heli Division.

In second place was Minoru Kobayashi - JR Propo /O.S. Engine / JR Heli, he was a member of the team in 2001 and is a K&S Employee.

In third place we have a past world champion Manubu Hashimoto - Sanwa / YS Engine / Hirobo."

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Jarno
Veteran
Location: Finland

Just edited a bit. Our guys at the WC told me the following:

Freya EX WC
SSR-VI(I) prototype head
Hirobo WC Blades
Black Shark 2 fuse
GY601 & S9251
Sanwa radio

YS 91 engine, Funtech muffler.

Cheers
Jarno

Jarno
06-06-2003 Over year old.
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spt
Heliman
Location: South Africa

Has a full flapping head. See at bottom of http://www.flyinfish.co.uk/aha/inde...rldchamps.day12

Rudiger has also changed the stock head a bit as well.

Richard
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
helimodels
Senior Heliman
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Hashimoto..Sanwa???
what Sanwa Tx is WC standard???
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Obviously the Stylus is capable of winning the WC. Hashimoto only used 1 digital servo on the 601 gyro. The rest were 94731's. You know, analog servos.

Terry
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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helimodels
Senior Heliman
Location: Dublin, Ireland

makes the rest of us look like proper posers!
I checked the spec on airtronics.net, seems fairly basic by to-day's standards:
Pitch Curve, Throttle Curve, Offset Ail, Elev, Rud, D/R Ail, Elev, Rud, Expo Ail, Elev, Rud, Hovering Pitch, Hovering Throttle
Revo Mixing, Throttle Hold, Trim Centering, 4 Model Memory, Comp Mixing, Aux 1, Aux 2, End Point Adjustment
Servo Reversing, Alternate Flight Mode, Stop Watch, Integrated Timer, Trainer System
what next?
"HITEC wins 2005 WCs"
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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IMZ Caliber
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, VA USA

The Stylus has no less ability

The Stylus has no less ability to win a WC over the Futaba or JR brands The big things that the high end radio's have is more available mixes. The stylus does have 9 free mixers available with the ability to program other model memories to switch into by simply flipping a switch. By doing this the stylus gives yu a total of 15 different flight modes and 27 different Programmable mixes. Not to mention it has built in mixes especially for CCPM machines. These mixes are adjustable and are designed to take out interaction and non-liniearity inherent in EMS systems. Yes is has 5 point throttle and pitch curves but they are designed like the 10x where the middle 3 points are positionable. Also they boast that they have the fastest PCM response in the world with 200 micro seconds. I know that at least i can feel a very large difference in speed between when i move the stick and the helicopter moves as there is much less delay. There is much more about the stylus that i can name off but it would take too long as i am still finding out new things about this radio even after having flown it now for 2 years.
06-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Agilefalcon
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Indeed!

The Stylus is a highly underated radio here in the US. Some other features: assignable switches, stick switches, boolean operations between switch functions, the ability to adjust pitch and throttle curves while inflight (toggle switch), channel delays and offsets, alternate model selection that can be selected in flight (in essence giving you up to 3 completely different setups available at the flick of a switch).

The menu system in the Stylus is very clear and logical to navigate. Sure, it doesn't have graphics at this point - but you don't really need that. Everything makes sense and is simple to access and employ - even sophisticated functions.

I believe that you get the comprehensiveness of the ZHP with the simplicity of programming of a 10X at the price of a Prism.

I've been flying a Stylus with an assortment of servos and have not had (touch wood) a single failure of an Airtronics (Sanwa) servo.

Chris.
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

What everyone might not be aware of is that the Stylus uses program cards. Hashimoto used a standard Heli card. The fact that the Stylus can have two alternate model memories assigned to flight modes or to a switch makes this a very versatile radio.

The 200us PCM system is at least as smooth and as fast as a PPM system and this system transmits twice as much data as the older 1024 ATCP system it replaced. If you couple that with the 94731 servos Hashimoto used you have a potent control system that doesn't consume batteries like Dracula on a dogs leg. He also used a 2000mah battery due to balance considerations.

The Stylus doesn't have all the bells and whistles of an older 1000H but it does have a few tricks in it that those older radios didn't have.

The following are the specs for the current heli card:

The 96813 Heli Card Features CCPM

Expo for Pitch, Roll and Tail Rotor, VTR for Pitch, Roll and Tail Rotor, Triple Rate Aileron, Triple Rate Elevator, Dual Rate Rudder, 5 Flight Modes, 5 Five Point Pitch Curves, 4 Five Point Throttle Curves, Throttle Hold, Trim Offsets for each Flight Mode, Automatic Trim Offset, 9 Compensation Mixers / 4 Normal Comp Mixers and 5 Comp Mixers with Curves, Programmable Comp Delays, 1 Bi-Directional Mixer, Hovering Throttle, Hovering Pitch, High Pitch Trim, Low Pitch Trim, 2 Gyro Gains for each Flight Mode, Programmable Channel Delays, Dynamic Trim Memory, Assignable Auxiliary Controls, Assignable Stick Switches, Throttle Stick Position Alarm, Mixing Delays, 2 Alternate Setups, 9 Swash Plate Types, Servo Limit, CCP Mixing, CCPM Delays, CCPM Linear Adjustment, CCPM End Point Adjustment, CCPM Servo Delay, Internal / Timer

Terry
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Lets be fair here...

If you have a governor then nowadays all you need is a few mixes and flight modes....

Other than that digital trims and you are sorted....



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06-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
IMZ Caliber
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, VA USA

Even the governor needs help

Even a Governor needs a mix to get the head to overspeed sligthly for more axial rolls. The governors work quite well in 3d applications because a little lag doesn't hurt as much. Governors still use a sensor to read the engine speed and when it notices the engine speed is dropping the throttle is opened more to compensate. however the problem lies in the fact that the engine has already begun to slow down and there for takes time to speed back up, therefore leaving it up to the pilot to correct for the head speed differences. I for one have not decided to use a governor because i do prefer contest flying. To me if i still have to set a throttle curve behind the governor incase the governor fails then i would rather not use one. Especially since i would still need to make sure that the throttle mix is right for contest work. This is because i don't believe they make allowances for equipment failures. Just look at what happend to Mark Christy during one of his autos. I wasn't there but from what i have read on the UK site is that he had pretty much finished the auto and the caller was just getting ready to call the end of the maneuver when a wind gust pick the heli up and rolled it over. The score for that maneuver ended up being a Zero. I know that was not a mechanical failure but that shows the tolerances that you have when competing.

Other mixes needed:
I setup Rotor phase mixing for my flight modes also. I usually need 4 different phase mixes. 2 for hovering maneuvers and 2 for flying maneuvers. The reason i need 2 sets is because the rotor timing correction needed is different for different head speeds.

For cyclic to throttle i normaly use a different mix amount for loops and stall turns as compared to rolls, rolling stall turns, and Cobra Vee. I have a totally different set of mixes for roll reversals also. Thats just a small list of what some contest pilots can chose to use the available mixes for.
Norvin
06-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

The Stylus uses Auto DTM, which IMHO is better than digital trims any day.

Terry
06-13-2003 Over year old.
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IMZ Caliber
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, VA USA

I stand corrected as to why he was scored a zero

Okay that makes quite a bit of sense as to why he was scored a zero.

DavidH what are your thoughs as to a governor not qorking correctly during a round at a contest. Do you think its worth possibly scoring lower on a round because of a piece of otional equipment? I'm just curious. I'm not saying that they mess up alot or anything of that sort. I just don't know how much i really trust it to work all the time. Ofcourse its not like everything one my helicopter always works correctly 100% of the time. But i do try to get it to that point. To me the less that can go wrong mechanically the better. If i mess up a maneuver i like to know that it was either my thumbs (most of the time) or my thumbs setting up the radio wrong for that mode. I've never really though much of using them since i can set my curves to get the heli to respond the way i would like.
Norvin
06-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
IMZ Caliber
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, VA USA

Thanks for the info

Thanks for the info. So for the most part in F3c most only used it for hovering maneuvers anyway not the whole schedule. I can understand using it in the hovering maneuvers. Especially in gusty situations when the rotor disk is getting loaded and unloaded more than calm conditions. Then i end up using my curves the the flying maneuvers anyway.
06-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

How many points on the throttle and pitch curve are there on the Sanwa radio?
06-14-2003 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

There are 5 points on Pitch, Throttle and Tail rotor.

Terry
06-14-2003 Over year old.
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IMZ Caliber
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, VA USA

The points are also positionable

You can place the 3 points in the middle of the curve at any stick position that you would like. So if you like to hover at 3/4 stick all the time but would like a bit more resolution in normal mode for hovering then its no problem. You can also do this ofcourse with the 9z but you have to set all 13 points. This system is very much like the 10x if you are familiar with that radio. The biggest thing about the stylus is realy the price of the complete package would cost you less than the 10x or 9z tx only but you would get the same level of programmability.
06-14-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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