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TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

I ran one gallon of regular gas at 75:1 then I switched to camper fuel at 63:1 the needles did not need to be changed,I switched again(experimenting different fuels) to what the manual calls for which is 95 octane or higher.I chose 94 at 82:1
When I started the engine the low speed was real rich.I had to lean it and at the same time the high speed was to lean I had to richen that.Does this sound normal or should I be looking at something else.
I'm a gasser newbie
06-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

where's the Bill

come on where's Billme when you need him.rchelial too.Where are you guys?
06-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Travis, in order for your test results to mean anything, you need to use the same oil content and just switch the gas. But to answer your question, yes, the less oil you run, the more gas that is made available. So yes, the needles will appear rich. I don't have an answer for the high speed, but richening is safe. All you are doing with the octane change, is changing the timing slightly. The difference, if any, between high octane and low, is minimal at best. Your largest difference is coming from the amount of oil you are running. Keep at it! You'll have it runnin' sweet.
06-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
garyl
Senior Heliman
Location: taxachussetts

RCHELIAL is correct. When you are experimenting only change one variable at a time, in this case the fuel. Each time you made a fuel change you made a oil to fuel ratio change as well. Go back and perform the test again and only change the fuel and not the oil to fuel ratios.
I have changed from gas to camper fuel with out needle changes at 2oz. to the gallon ratio. The motor runs the same.
06-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

Great job Al, and Gary

This is the reason I don't jump in here, I want others to come in here and give good answers!
Al, and Gary gave Very good answers.... They get it

I'm here; I will add my 2 cents
Since you did two things at once, lets think about what happen...The low-end controls the most fuel flow. When you changed the fuel, and oil, you did notice something, and that’s good.... You call it rich, which it is, but I look at it as a less powerful cycle before you changed your needle setting. Why? The fuel is weaker because of its timing effect (slower burn), plus the dilution by the oil...You put a weaker solution fuel in your engine, proven by your previous needle settings..
The reason you had to open your high needle was to allow the high needle to make up for what is lost on the low because you closed the valve more to get the right amount of the weaker fuel to burn with the given amount of air...Doing this cuts the flow down to a point that not all the orifices are working on the low...Why? Because the pumped fuel supply is only delivering fuel to the needle...After that, its the needles job to keep the reservoir full for the orifices to draw from.. The butterfly controls the amount of airflow to allow the needed fuel flow by the action of the air passing by the orifice (very small hole...
Its a very delicate balance all the way from the metering lever of the diaphragm to the needles, to the orifices to the size of the Ventura..

I know you want to believe Zenoah on what they tell you in their printed material. I also know where they get it from instead of relying on their on sound engineering principles.... All I can say is I disagree period, for the sake of not starting a flaming war hehee
Regards,
Bill Meador
06-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

As always great replies. I forgot to mension I also changed the throttle servo from standard to a digital So what I have now is a throttle curve in the 50% range at hover instead of 5% so I guess what I have going for fuel right now is good.The engine is running like a top.I guess I should have made only one move at a time,but hey it all worked out.Thanks again for all that replied.
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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